hd500 as audio interface?

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2011/09/22 19:33:52 (permalink)

hd500 as audio interface?

Will my hd500 work well with Music creator 6? I'm wanting to get the 25 key Akia for midi, use my hd500 for the interface and build drum tracks with studio instruments or buy EZ drummer. I'm going to run this with a Toshiba laptop running vista. Does anyone see a problem with any of this thinking? I have a roland vs2400 that I'm happy with and already have studio monitors. I mainly want to get a better drum machine and MC6 seem like a good way to do it. While I'm at it I might as well get a small midi board and take advantage of some of the soft syths.
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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/22 20:13:31 (permalink)
    I don't know, the description of the HD500 doesn't say anywhere that it will convert A/D and D/A, or at what rates, so I'm thinking that it will not work as an interface.

    but the vs2400 is a 24bit/96kHz interface and CAN be used with MC6 as an interface.

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/22 22:39:26 (permalink)
    and I read it the other way.
    The HD things reads "record multiple simultaneous tracks to your computer" or something like that.
    The Roland needs something called an 'R Bus' to "exchange audio and MIDI data" with a computer.

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/23 07:51:24 (permalink)
    yep, you're right, Greg!  that's why it's best not to rely on ONE person for support!

    it still took a lot more digging for me to be convinced, however, that the HD500 would work as an interface.  yes, it says it's USB but that doesn't mean it has converters.  I couldn't find info on the converters anywhere (and still can't).  even on line6's website it doesn't have any info on the converters for the HD series at all.  but they do have drivers they share with toneports, so they must have converters in them.

    and yes, I missed the "R Bus" option being necessary for the VS2400 when I looked it up.  good catch.

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/23 08:24:33 (permalink)
    Is all this stuff going in via USB? 

    Reading what Beagle said, the Roland can be used as an interface..... sounds like you might have a viable set up there. 

    Can the Roland control MC or the other way around?  Obviously this would be a great asset if it can happen.  I work totally in the box so I've never considered having to control and sync outside devices. 

    If you're using MC for a drum machine, you could create the track and bounce it to wave and import it to the Roland, but syncing it would be cool too. 

    Let us know how this works out. 

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/23 10:20:06 (permalink)
    I believe the hd500 is 24bit 48khz. The roland vs2400 will do 96khz but you lose half the features. Roland suggest you run it 24 bit 44.1 khz for full features. (meaning all plugins and 24 track operation) What I want to do is: Come out of the hd500 usb 2.0 to the laptop as a interface so I can hear MC6 through my studio monitors. I'll come out of the hd500 in stereo into two tracks on the vs2400. I'll arrange and record drum tracks on MC6 (maybe add some midi tracks someday) untill happy and then arm the two tracks on the vs2400 and record them directly. I don't think I have to export as wave files or worry about trtansfer rates at all this way. I think the audio will record as 24bit 44.1 on the vs2400 regardless of how MC6 is setup. I guess I would need to setup MC6 to 24bit 48khz to eliminate a conversion from the hd500? Thanks for responding I don't have any expertise with recording on MC6 or computer at all. So your help is much appreciated.
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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/23 10:29:34 (permalink)
    I recommend 24bit/44.1kHz or 24bit/48kHz (and only 48kHz if you have a reason for it).  anything above that uses too much hard drive space for the benefits (which are highly debatable).

    recording the audio output of the VS2400 is a viable way to handle it if you don't have the "R-bus" anyway.

    if the HD500 only records at 24/48 then yes, set up MC for that rate as well.  but if you can change the settings in the HD500 to 44.1 (I would think it should be capable of this - usually only Soundblasters REQUIRE 48k) then you'll be better off because you eventually have to export your final output to 44.1kHz anyway.

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/23 12:45:19 (permalink)
    I found this in a hd500 review.

    For recording, the HD500’s internal sample rate is fixed at 48kHz, but an on‑board sample‑rate converter means that you can sync it to sample rates from 44.1kHz to 96kHz.

    So it would seem that this is worth a shot. What do you guys think of studio instrument drums? Do you use a midi keyboard? Do you think I'll end up buying EZ drummer?

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/23 14:18:14 (permalink)
    SI drums.... it's pretty decent sounding. I use a different method to build my drum tracks these days.

    Midi-keyboard? Absolutely I use one. 

    Do I think you will you buy EZ Drummer?  (looks around the room) Where did I leave that Magic 8-ball last time I used it? (shakes head) I really should clean this place up a bit.  

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/23 14:27:54 (permalink)
    Which drum software do you prefer? Ez drummer seems......EZ. Ba da boom! I'm hoping SI will impress. They are the reason I'm trying MC6 first. For $40 bucks it seem EZier.
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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/24 00:02:45 (permalink)
    I've used Session Drummer 1 and 2 in songs, both writing in each drum hit and dropping in drum patterns. They are pretty easy. Plus I've used my Yamaha keyboard to play drum tracks I wrote, and my Alesis SR-16 to play drum tracks I wrote.
    EZ Drummer and some other, newer drum programs can write the drum tracks for you. You can make various selections from menus, alter them as you needed and end up with a nice, polished drum track. And they sound pretty good, too.

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/24 12:25:55 (permalink)
    I have not used the included drums in MC for songs.... although I have loaded them up to see how they work. They sounded pretty good considering that they are included with a $40 program.... they are sampled and not GM.... so that's a plus. 

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/27 12:39:54 (permalink)
    Well my hd500 is working as an interface...no problems there. I think the SI drums sound pretty good. There isn't a whole lot of flexibility but sometimes that's a good thing. I wish it had some loops of drum fills but hey for $40 I'm very happy with the product. Now to get a midi keyboard so I can make my own drum fills.
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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/27 12:47:53 (permalink)
    SI drums does have MIDI loops.  I don't remember exactly how to access them since I'm not home to check and I've never used SI drums myself except to help people with them.  if someone doesn't come along before this evening (probably late) I'll try to open it and figure it out.  but there are MIDI loops included with SI Drums.

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/27 13:03:25 (permalink)
    yeah you can click and drag the groove over to Music creator and it's one measure. Click and drag it right for more. Can you assign the drums to midi? Then I could make my own fills on a seperate track.
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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/27 14:00:20 (permalink)
    I'm not sure what you mean by "can you assign the drums to MIDI?" unless you're asking if you can record the hits you create by clicking on the GUI of SI Drums?  if that's what you mean, then, NO, you can't. 

    you can either open the PRV (or Staff View) and enter notes directly with your mouse there on a MIDI track, or you can get a MIDI controller and record MIDI that way.

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/27 14:04:16 (permalink)
    you can also edit the MIDI loops that you have dragged onto a MIDI track from SI Drums by opening the PRV of that MIDI track and using your mouse to move, delete, enter new notes, etc.  change the velocities, etc.

    if you don't know anything about the PRV or Staff views for MIDI tracks, then you should look at the tutorials for MIDI.  I tihnk they're tutorials 4&5 in the help files.

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    Re:hd500 as audio interface? 2011/09/27 19:44:38 (permalink)
    You can also open the PRV in a MIDI track, click the brush tool, then the down arrow next to it and select drum patterns, then draw them in with the brush.

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