mixmkr
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holy smokin tempo mapping
I was going to upgrade to Melodyne 4 because of the tempo mapping...but reading a thread here made me further investigate using the feature in Sonar. It rocks. Amazing is all I can say. I "free played" a keyboard part...trimmed the dead space at the beginning...lined it up with a beat to start...dragged the audio file into the timeline. My Toontrack follows incredibly well. Wow.. this is a feature I can really use for getting some "feel" into my music and matching up MIDI instruments to tracks given to me by others.
Well done Sonar. I'm blown away. I'll stay on Melodyne Editor 2 as well. I have yet to really use it anyway. Sonar's the ticket for my plugs and stuff like this. Dang...don't mean to rant, but this is like Christmas.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/24 16:46:35
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Hi. I have just tried it a bit, but I will be using this feature a lot in the time to come. It is very cool!
All the best.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/24 16:46:48
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/04/24 17:06:19
Yeah having the rigid unfeeling stupid computer follow YOU for once. Ain't it great? 
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mixmkr
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/24 19:59:38
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bitman
Yeah having the rigid unfeeling stupid computer follow YOU for once.
Ain't it great?
that's funny. yeah...it's great!
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/24 20:02:41
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Don't forget that for tough cases, you should set Melodyne for Percussion mode.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/24 20:08:53
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Anderton
Don't forget that for tough cases, you should set Melodyne for Percussion mode.
I rarely use Melodyne. I was stoked because Sonar could do the tempo mapping now...and it's just too easy. I've been on the fence about upgrading from Editor2 to Studio4, but I don't think I'm going to spend the $150, even if the deal is sweet. I just don't use it really. But the tempo mapping...now in Sonar...that's another issue. I gets lots of tracks from friends that record on their laptop or whatever...no click, and the performances are usually quality enough to use and have fun with adding tracks...drums, etc. Plus...this is going to just let me noodle and then keep something if I like it. No worries about tempo drifts. If anything, it'll add to the feeling in most cases...
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/24 20:14:12
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☄ Helpfulby JonD 2016/04/25 11:53:22
But the tempo engine mapping is in Melodyne, so when you create a Region FX to do Tempo Mapping, Melodyne is the engine that makes it possible...and to carry the analogy further, ARA is the transmission.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/24 20:27:51
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How effective is this tempo mapping likely to be if all I have to give it is a stereo live recording of a band? In other words, I have no isolated drum track. Has anybody tried this, and what was the result?
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/24 22:44:55
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Anderton
But the tempo engine mapping is in Melodyne, so when you create a Region FX to do Tempo Mapping, Melodyne is the engine that makes it possible...and to carry the analogy further, ARA is the transmission.
so i would be advised to upgrade melodyne for better tempo mapping?
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/24 23:24:16
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Larry Jones
How effective is this tempo mapping likely to be if all I have to give it is a stereo live recording of a band? In other words, I have no isolated drum track. Has anybody tried this, and what was the result?
I'll hold your beer, you try it.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/24 23:46:41
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Anderton
But the tempo engine mapping is in Melodyne, so when you create a Region FX to do Tempo Mapping, Melodyne is the engine that makes it possible...and to carry the analogy further, ARA is the transmission.
so i would be advised to upgrade melodyne for better tempo mapping?
Yes and no. The tempo mapping in Melodyne 2 and 4 Essential is actually pretty amazing as is. The advantage of upgrading to M4 Editor or Studio is you can modify the tempo map if needed...or so I'm told. I've used tempo extraction only with M4 Essential and M2 Studio so far, and have been pretty blown away. I hear it's possible to throw something at Essential that it can't handle, thus necessitating messing with a tempo map, but I haven't run into that situation yet.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/25 00:08:36
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hhmmm....and here I thought Cakewalk came up with their own tempo mapping and I was patting their back about it. The ARA still deserves a round of beers though. Dang...maybe I will have to bite the bullet and update my Editor2. I don't know though...working pretty good right now as is. But...I did try some "slowing down" in places...like ritards...and it was making Melodyne wimper. Too drastic a change I guess.
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mixmkr
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/25 00:10:48
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well...their update page says:
New tempo intelligenceMelodyne 4’s new tempo algorithms detect tempos, time signatures and any changes in tempo more accurately than ever before.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/25 03:39:11
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Larry Jones
How effective is this tempo mapping likely to be if all I have to give it is a stereo live recording of a band? In other words, I have no isolated drum track. Has anybody tried this, and what was the result?
I have done this using Editor 2 stand-alone in polyphonic mode on commercial tracks (entire song) and then exported the MIDI and was rather impressive. Polyphonic mode allowed for enough detail to determine tempo (melodic mode failed miserably on the same track). An Editor version or better should be able to do this, but I did back out of upgrading to 4 Studio because the opening time for the same file took 5 times longer than with Editor 2. The method I used for the above is posted here, but the new tempo map conversion should be quicker and do the same thing.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/25 09:42:05
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/04/25 11:52:31
mixmkr
hhmmm....and here I thought Cakewalk came up with their own tempo mapping and I was patting their back about it. The ARA still deserves a round of beers though.
They definitely deserve a pat on the back. It's difficult to implement, especially as simply as Cakewalk did. It's sort of like someone building something with a hammer and nails...they don't get credit for inventing the hammer and nails, but they get credit for what they built with those tools.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/25 09:43:31
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mixmkr
hhmmm....and here I thought Cakewalk came up with their own tempo mapping and I was patting their back about it. The ARA still deserves a round of beers though. Dang...maybe I will have to bite the bullet and update my Editor2. I don't know though...working pretty good right now as is. But...I did try some "slowing down" in places...like ritards...and it was making Melodyne wimper. Too drastic a change I guess.
I've done radical ritards and it worked well, but Melodyne was detecting a rhythm guitar part and in percussion mode. Using melodic mode didn't work.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/25 11:52:44
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Anderton
But the tempo engine mapping is in Melodyne, so when you create a Region FX to do Tempo Mapping, Melodyne is the engine that makes it possible...and to carry the analogy further, ARA is the transmission.
Ah, this was the clarification I was about to ask for - thanks, Craig! I was a bit confused as the original post made it sound like the tempo detection was separate from Melodyne.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/25 12:27:57
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Anderton
Don't forget that for tough cases, you should set Melodyne for Percussion mode.
I rarely use Melodyne. I was stoked because Sonar could do the tempo mapping now...and it's just too easy. I've been on the fence about upgrading from Editor2 to Studio4, but I don't think I'm going to spend the $150, even if the deal is sweet.
It is totally sweet and well worth the $150. The sound editor is the most amazing thing. You can manipulate sound in a totally different way, plus the two new algorithms make polyphonic note detection even better. Check out the 70 minute video here: http://www.celemony.com/en/melodyne/new-in-melodyne-4 scroll down 3/4's of the way, and it is under: Melodyne explained: the First Steps videos
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/25 15:43:54
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Anderton
But the tempo engine mapping is in Melodyne, so when you create a Region FX to do Tempo Mapping, Melodyne is the engine that makes it possible...and to carry the analogy further, ARA is the transmission.
Ah, this was the clarification I was about to ask for - thanks, Craig! I was a bit confused as the original post made it sound like the tempo detection was separate from Melodyne.
Another big benefit of Studio is multi-track. For ironing out the timing on harmonies, or for any timing correction, it's fantastic. At the moment, you have to export the tracks / clips and import them in standalone Melodyne. I'm hoping that ARA will make it possible to integrate this better into SONAR in the future.
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Re: holy smokin tempo mapping
2016/04/26 18:08:55
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Another fan here... I'm almost finished with my first project that takes full advantage of this very cool ability. I never would have done anything remotely similar otherwise, but the way timing can push and pull and have everything follow is just sooooooo nice...
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