how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks?

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2013/05/17 14:24:45 (permalink)

how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks?

I use drum samples a lot and often use more than one kick or snare tracks in a project. I frequently run into difficulty aligning the kicks or snares to where they are hitting tightly. the method i've been using is to use audiosnap on one track to align it to the other. it's a crude way, i believe, because i am 'eye-balling' it. Any better methods out there?
post edited by joshcamp - 2013/05/17 14:36:15
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    John
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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 15:06:06 (permalink)
    Align the transients at the beginning.

     

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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 15:34:32 (permalink)
    thanks john, but i don't follow you..
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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 15:44:03 (permalink)
    Im curious too john. As far as how to do this. Is there a tool for it?
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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 15:47:53 (permalink)
    see, the problem i am having is when using two different kick samples (or snares), for example, that have different waveforms and different peaks and valleys in the waveform. Sure, i can set each sample to the beginning of a measure, but that does not necessarily mean they will hit at exactly the same spot due to the differences in waveform.. or maybe i'm doing something wrong... so, when they don't hit exactly, it doesn't sound tight
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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 15:59:09 (permalink)
    If I'm understanding you correctly, you have a simple phase issue.  Normally you can nudge the audio back and forth to line the tracks up, after zooming way in to actually see the waveforms.  If for some reason that's not an option, even after bouncing the tracks to single audio clips, there are auto-phase plugins that do this for you.  I hope this helps.
     
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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 16:05:01 (permalink)
    thanks eddie, yeah thats bascially what ive been doing. tho, it is tedious when doing for the whole track or more tracks. just wondering if there is a better way. instead of nudging, ive been using audiosnap, which works great but takes a while to do.
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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 16:08:53 (permalink)
    Have you tried audiosnap? Right click on the source track. Select Pool from the drop down menu, select add clip to pool. You will see the dotted lines elsewhere indicating they are all being used as a reference point. Right click on the destination track. Select pool from the dropdown menu, select quantize to pool. You will get a window that shows up with a few parameters to set for strength 

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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 16:13:37 (permalink)
    thanks rocky. ive been using audiosnap but not the way you describe. i will try that.
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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 16:21:04 (permalink)
    joshcamp


    thanks eddie, yeah thats bascially what ive been doing. tho, it is tedious when doing for the whole track or more tracks. just wondering if there is a better way. instead of nudging, ive been using audiosnap, which works great but takes a while to do.
    If you're having to line up each hit separately, I can see that would be very tedious.  If avoiding that is worth $65 to you, try something like this:
     
    http://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins/product.php?id=MAutoAlign 
     
    Note:  I'm not sure if this will work in your case, but it might be worth a try.
     
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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 16:27:52 (permalink)
    i'll check that out, thanks eddie
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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 16:32:37 (permalink)
    I guess I should explain. 

    Drums are the easier to line up because they have strong initial transient sounds. The sound of the hit then its followed by the reverberation of the drum head. 

    Ignore the last part and find the point on the sample that has the initial strike. By zooming in you should have no trouble seeing this hit. Then all you need do is move one or the other sample to match the hit. Use Aim Assist if you need to. I use the smart tool for this. It is very simple to do, far easier then to explain how to do it.

    Of course you will need to turn off snap to grid.

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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 16:33:22 (permalink)
    Do you want the same amount of delay between the two samples at every hit? for instance with your snare hits, If you got all your drum samples laid out already, why not paste them all together into two big clips (1 for each sample) and that way when you offset clip 2 at the first snare hit, all other hits in that clip will be offset the same amount? Also if you were to paste them all together like this, nudging them by hand when you zoom in to view the waveform up close would be alot less tedious because you would only have to do it once?
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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 16:48:27 (permalink)


    If Audio Snaps transient detection worked and worked consistently than you could just auto detect and snap to grid in just a couple steps.

    But it doesn't.

    If you really want to get any two drum hits to hit at the same time you have to go in with audio snap and tediously hand edit the placement of all the transients before you use any of the automated "snap to" functions.



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    Re:how best to align two kick or snare sample tracks? 2013/05/17 17:05:39 (permalink)
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    Do you want the same amount of delay between the two samples at every hit? for instance with your snare hits, If you got all your drum samples laid out already, why not paste them all together into two big clips (1 for each sample) and that way when you offset clip 2 at the first snare hit, all other hits in that clip will be offset the same amount? Also if you were to paste them all together like this, nudging them by hand when you zoom in to view the waveform up close would be alot less tedious because you would only have to do it once?

    ^^^ This is exactly what I was going to suggest.


    If I'm reading the OP correctly, it sounds like one of the sample kicks/snares he's using is off by a set amount for every beat.


    Just bounce to clip the entire tracks worth of clips and nudge them en masse.

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