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how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
Hi, I'm using Tascam us 2x2 audio interface on Sonar LE. I pluged in my guitar to one of my inputs on my sound card, and Iwant to record my guitar on STEREO track and not on MONO track As it is now. How am I do it? How do I play an audio track has stereo track after I recorded it has mono track? Thanks!
post edited by frkfir - 2015/12/24 06:18:33
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 06:06:07
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That's easy. Just record it twice and than pan tracks as you wish.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 06:12:29
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Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you told me to do. I am new to this software :(
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 06:13:50
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Hi. You can right click on the clip, and choose convert to stereo. All the best.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 08:32:33
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You need two mics to record stereo. They can be place a few feet apart or you can have one close micing and the other some distance away. Adjust the input level on the audio interface so they have a similar level. Most think, and I am one too, that an instrument that is mono, which is most, should be recorded as mono. Pianos and drums can be thought of as stereo.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 09:35:50
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Zargg71 Hi. You can right click on the clip, and choose convert to stereo. All the best.
This^^^ A guitar or mic is inherently mono, so you need to convert it to stereo. However, if you insert a plug-in that's stereo, most will generate a stereo output from a mono input so that's another way to get stereo.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 10:16:58
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I'm repeating a bit of what's already above, but there are a couple ways to achieve this, depending on what you're looking for. Since your originating instrument (guitar) is mono, just converting the track to stereo may or may not give you the desired result you're looking for. Another option is to record it once (in mono), clone the track you just recorded and pan the two resulting tracks left and right. Bear in mind, this won't sound any "fatter", as it's the exact same signal, just taking up a wider portion of the stereo spectrum, and it will sound louder, since you're adding more of the same signal. If you want a 'fatter' sound, take the advice that Soundwise gave above - record your guitar two separate times on two different tracks, then pan those tracks left and right as wide as you want. Not only will this give you the wider / stereo sounding guitars, but it will sound much fatter than just cloning a single mono track and panning it similarly. Hope this helps. Russ
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 10:24:33
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karma1959 Another option is to record it once (in mono), clone the track you just recorded and pan the two resulting tracks left and right. Bear in mind, this won't sound any "fatter", as it's the exact same signal, just taking up a wider portion of the stereo spectrum, and it will sound louder, since you're adding more of the same signal.
This. After you create two tracks, you can fiddle with the equalization to achieve a broader sound.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 11:17:59
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If you record a mono track, like a guitar, it will play back as stereo track. There is no need to record a mono instrument in stereo if you just want it to play back in both speakers.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 11:19:35
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a stereo track where one side is a 100% clone has no advantages. Use mono for mono instruments and mics, and then pan left-to-right.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 11:36:52
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One reason to record a mono instrument like a guitar in stereo is so that you can later adjust the timber of the instrument via levels. I usually record an acoustic guitar either X-Y between the 2 hands of the player (look up X_Y microphone placement on google) or spread, with one aimed at the "pegs" and one aimed at the 12th fret of the guitar. Fret side is lighter and airier, the "peg" end is deeper and crisper on attack. Then you can mix the two via levels, compression and pan to get the sound you want. Stereo micing a voice is of little benefit, but recording with two mics set different places can give you options for later mixing with the proximity effect of close micing or the airy sound of being further away. Just be careful if you try to use both, combining the two signals can cause some nasty comb filters that make some frequencies disappear while others will be boosted and make mixing consistent levels near impossible at times. As for setting it up in Sonar, I usually use 2 mono tracks so I have maximum flexibility. If you record to one stereo track, you can only process both sides the same. You do have the option of "split to mono" but their is no real gain to not doing it this way to start with. Understand though, a single voice and a guitar are both "mono instruments" with the spacing of a guitars strings making a stereo recording sometimes advantageous. A single voice does not really benefit at all from stereo except for every live environments where you are actually recording the room in stereo more than the voice itself.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/24 18:14:07
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frkfir Sorry, but I don't quite understand what you told me to do. I am new to this software :(
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/26 01:32:46
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If I want to see the waves appear in both sides of a stereo track, for my device (NI komplete6 audio)I have to select the input on which it is plugged in as a mono source.I think the logic there is that if you choose it as a stereo input and there is no signal on one side, that's what you get. A stereo recording with one side beinig silent. Seems counterintuitive but that's how it works for me.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/26 11:04:28
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/12/26 22:46:19
A stereo signal is more than just the same mono signal cloned to the other side - it contains subtle (or not so)changes, typically the time differential from entering each ear (or two microphones not occupying the same, exact space). That provides your brain w/ the information to figure out which side of your head the sound is coming from, among other things. So it isn't counterintuitive that a mono signal should just be a single signal when recording. But if you look at the signal in your output meter in SÖNAR for that mono recording you'll see that the mono recording is output as an exactly matched (in volume) stereo pair and shouldn't come out of a single speaker, but both. That is how you pan a mono signal to whichever side you want it in the stereo field. You aren't adding the signal to one side - you are taking it away from that side of the stereo field.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/26 22:06:36
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2015/12/26 22:44:35
In addition to the above, in the off chance that the "new to this software" implies new to DAWs in general, Bitflipper made a really nice post a couple years ago worth reading. Mono vs. stereo unto itself can create some long discussions, so your initial question may have just nicked the tip of the iceberg.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/26 22:32:33
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Something this thread hasn't touched on, or not in detail at least, which might be useful to the OP, is that there's almost never a good reason to record a guitar in stereo. I think I'd like to go back to the start and find out why the OP is trying to do this.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/27 02:33:41
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2015/12/27 05:08:48
As the OP is new to the software and therefore perhaps recording (given the question) it's also worth pointing out that..... Mono = identical signal in both left and right channels Stereo = material that is different in left and right channels You'll never get a true stereo track from a single mic source (prior to any processing). You can of course convert the mono track to stereo track but of course the material is still mono.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2015/12/27 10:22:24
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John T Something this thread hasn't touched on, or not in detail at least, which might be useful to the OP, is that there's almost never a good reason to record a guitar in stereo. I think I'd like to go back to the start and find out why the OP is trying to do this.
I was thinking the same. My guess is, it's the very, very common misconception among beginners that every track needs to be stereo because you're making a "stereo record". It comes as a surprise to many, that usually most of the tracks are mono. To the OP: Recording a mono source as mono leaves you the options to pan the instrument wherever you want in the stereo field. A stereo track, one that has different material left and right, can not be panned as easily, as the panning is actually balance setting. Then you need a plugin like Channel Tools to pan it in a controlled way (ie. not fading away the right side material when you pan to left). Piano is a good example: If you record (stereo) the right hand parts on the right channel and left hand parts on the left, when you pan it to one side, the material on the opposite side does not move to the panned side, but simply fades inaudible.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2017/02/17 15:02:35
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Hey guys, the person who asked the question disappeared, not telling is any advice worked for him... I have pretty much the same question. I read and tried more or less all that you wrote here. I recorded voice through a mic connected to TASCAM US2*2 in the IN1. Voice is heard only in the left speaker. 1. Trying to clone the audio track and then panning left and right didn't work: the upper line (left) in the cloned track is still in the upper part and no matter how I pan - the sound comes from the left speaker. 2. Instead of the "convert to stereo" right click gives only option "convert to mono" Could you tell if I have any chance to make it sound from both speakers? I want to record a song, I have only one mic (I have never seen a singer singing in two mics in the front on him to get a stereo sound :-) ). What's the problem? Thank you!
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2017/02/17 15:12:04
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Which version of Sonar ? check your routing on your Tascam. load a stereo file in to sonar and pan that stereo file left to right. make sure you have sound in L + R speakers. you need to eliminate the Tascam as a problem then you can go on to other things.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2017/02/17 15:52:13
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☄ Helpfulby Dmitrit 2017/02/18 02:59:03
Dmitrit Hey guys, the person who asked the question disappeared, not telling is any advice worked for him... I have pretty much the same question. I read and tried more or less all that you wrote here. I recorded voice through a mic connected to TASCAM US2*2 in the IN1. Voice is heard only in the left speaker. 1. Trying to clone the audio track and then panning left and right didn't work: the upper line (left) in the cloned track is still in the upper part and no matter how I pan - the sound comes from the left speaker. 2. Instead of the "convert to stereo" right click gives only option "convert to mono" Could you tell if I have any chance to make it sound from both speakers? I want to record a song, I have only one mic (I have never seen a singer singing in two mics in the front on him to get a stereo sound :-) ). What's the problem? Thank you!
A mono source is supposed to be recorded on a mono track. If you record mono source on a stereo track it's only heard in left channel. For a stereo track you need two microphones or a synth/VST that is stereo. Read again my post #18. You can not pan a stereo track like you can pan a mono track. You should simply bounce the track to mono.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2017/02/17 16:49:59
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Kalle Rantaaho, kiitos paljon! :-) I bounced (right click "convert to mono") the track to mono. Now I hear in both speakers!!! Problem solved. Hurraay!
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2017/02/18 01:34:51
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On your Tascam, try choosing the Input 1 - Left (should be similar to that) on the Input options when recording. That tells SONAR that it is a MONO channel and will default to a MONO track for you. Bouncing/converting it after the fact is a hassle you would rather avoid.
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Re: how can I record stereo track with my guitar or mic?
2017/02/18 23:23:25
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It is worth noting for anyone else who has a similar question and comes across this thread, that each audio track has a little stereo/mono button. This should be set to mono when recording/playing a single channel/mono source and set to stereo if the source is stereo. You can not just convert a mono source to stereo by some kind of magic button. However, adding an effect such as reverb that is stereo will result in a stereo sound. It's a good idea to think with the mindset of those who, back in the day, recorded with analogue mixers and multi-track tape machines - every mixer channel and tape track was mono. You would plug a mic or DIed guitar/bass into a single channel on the mixer and record it to a single track on the tape machine. Only if you were working with a stereo signal e.g. synth or stereo pair of mics, would you plugin to two inputs and record to two tracks. On playback/mix, you would pan the mono signals to where you wanted them in the stereo field and hard pan (left and right) the stereo paired tracks. The only difference with Sonar is that you can use a single stereo track for stereo sources instead of two mono tracks. One simple trick to fatten and stereoize a mono sound, is to copy the mono audio clip to another mono track and nudge/slide it very slightly to the right (10 - 100 milliseconds) and hard pan the 1st track left and the second track right. This will create a short stereo delay effect - the longer the delay, the wider the stereo spread will be, but the more noticeable the delay effect will be, so don't over do it. This works well for guitar for example.
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