bmdaustin
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how much longer for PCI?
I'm starting to look ahead to a new machine, something that will support at least 6 GB of RAM, preferably more because I use a lot of sampled instruments (typically 16-18 per tune), and I'm also thinking through my audio interface situation. I currently use an Emu 1212M which I'm mostly happy with, but the driver is causing "delayed system calls" which is occasionally affecting screen draws, and it's PCI. So, if I do the massive upgrade, the 1212M probably goes, too, or does it? RME makes a new PCI-e card that looks wonderful, the HDSP3 AIO, and there are other viable PCI options as well.
So, I guess the question is - is it worth investing in another PCI card or should I go ahead and move to PCI-e? And before everyone chimes in about USB and Firewire, I'm fully aware of what's available in those formats and have decided on options there already. My main question is about the longevity and viability of the PCI format.
Thanks.............
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Fog
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/22 19:13:47
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1+ year on , I'm still waiting for the RME AIO pci-e card.. I did look for a price and it's not even in shops yet... last November (the one before last) I wanted this card.. *sigh* , so their site having "coming soon" did miff me a bit.. in the end I've ended up buying a delta 1010LT as a stop gap.. and it's decent considering how old / price was. are you sure the card is out yet? I check with them every so often and I'm on their mailing list and heard diddly. the way I look at it , because PCI-E is a newer format.. and the cards are very new.. well they won't have the legacy thing for 5+ years... they aren't cheap though .. so you'd expect to get your moneys worth..
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Russell.Whaley
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/22 19:29:17
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EMU have just announced PCI-e versions of their digital audio system cards...
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bmdaustin
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/22 21:06:59
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1+ year on , I'm still waiting for the RME AIO pci-e card..
Are you sure the card is out yet? I check with them every so often and I'm on their mailing list and heard diddly. I just ran across it on their website last night and assumed it was already here or would be shortly. Apparently, that's not the case, which is a shame. I was also guesstimating that it would come in around $500 like the card it's supposed to replace. Oh well. 
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bmdaustin
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/22 21:08:56
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EMU have just announced PCI-e versions of their digital audio system cards...
That's good to know. As I said, overall I like the card itself, but the drivers appear to be causing some nagging issues with my screen redraws, and this has happened with two different video cards, although both are Nvidia chipsets. Maybe I should try an ATI instead?
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/23 00:07:27
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Fog
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/23 13:07:07
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Dan the wait with RME didn't make me happy.. first of all it was "in a few weeks" that passed by , then it was also there was price increase etc..
Paul , I assumed the card would be out by now.. good job I'm not a betting man..hehe
I did feel a bit sorry for their UK distributor, as I'm sure loads have been quizzing him about it. I spoke to him a few times about it and he was helpful, well as helpful as he could be.
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wintaper
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/23 15:48:37
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Hmm, the RME RayDAT HDSPe is listed "In-Stock" at Sweetwater. $849 is actually $50 less than they were listing it for a few weeks back
Curiously (on Sweetwater at least), the HDSP9652 (pci) is up $100 - its now $699 (!)
Long wait or not - for me, RME interfaces have been rock-solid for over 10 yrs
-Dan
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/23 16:14:05
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yep Dan, but some of us were in a place where we could have bought an older RME card.. or wait .. almost 1.5 years after advertised.. c'mon you gotta admit that is a bit of a *cough* take... "coming soon" should be redefined and it shouldn't have featured on their website. http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4414 seems it'll be shipping or has started shipping, but because of the wait... well they didn't exactly pick the best time to release it.. also the price hike.. oh well thankfully they aren't a US company, and I wouldn't get taxed as much.hehe
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wintaper
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/23 17:22:00
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duh - I'm sorry, you and I are talking about different cards - I thought you were referring to the HDSPe RayDAT.
-Dan
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/23 17:55:03
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nah Dan thats what made matters WORSE.. they release (d?) not quite sure.. the AIO the last out of the pci-e range 
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JonD
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/23 18:45:16
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.... As I said, overall I like the card itself, but the drivers appear to be causing some nagging issues with my screen redraws, and this has happened with two different video cards, although both are Nvidia chipsets. Maybe I should try an ATI instead?
Paul, this problem sounds system-specific to me. If there was something in the drivers causing a problem this obvious, I'd think the audio forums would be filled with other E-MU users having similar issues, yet I don't recall reading about this anywhere else -- even on the E-MU forums, where I spent months researching before buying my 1212M. Have you run the PCI latency tool, to see if something else might be causing the glitches? JD
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bmdaustin
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/23 22:31:30
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.... As I said, overall I like the card itself, but the drivers appear to be causing some nagging issues with my screen redraws, and this has happened with two different video cards, although both are Nvidia chipsets. Maybe I should try an ATI instead?
Paul, this problem sounds system-specific to me. If there was something in the drivers causing a problem this obvious, I'd think the audio forums would be filled with other E-MU users having similar issues, yet I don't recall reading about this anywhere else -- even on the E-MU forums, where I spent months researching before buying my 1212M.
Have you run the PCI latency tool, to see if something else might be causing the glitches?
JD
I agree, it probably is system-specific, but this has occurred on three different Mobo's with two different processors and two different video cards. I've tried removing AGV antivirus, too. The only other hardware constant is the 1212M - never had the problem with previous Delta 44. I tried the latency tool once and everything looked good - no spikes, low numbers. The card is functioning just fine in Sonar and all other audio apps. I've been led to believe that some driver is causing this, and the only other hardware driver I'm using (throughout all the previous configurations) is my printer, and that shouldn't be polling anything, should it? Something is causing delayed system calls and I can't tell what it is. Any other likely culprits, in XP maybe?
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JonD
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RE: how much longer for PCI?
2009/02/24 01:21:33
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Hmm, actually the printer could be doing this, either by some internal polling or through an "updater" utility in startup (usually "hidden" in a registry key) trying to call home. Obviously I can't say for certain, but it just seems so unlikely that it's the E-MU drivers wreaking havoc, for the reasons I mentioned before. The fact that this has happened through numerous setups of yours, makes it more likely that many other E-MU users would be experiencing the same thing... but the forums don't reflect this at all. Wish I could be of more help... Oh, well. Good luck, JD
post edited by JonD - 2009/02/24 02:44:12
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