how to detune MIDI

how do you slightly adjust tuning on midi?
i need to adust pitch about .2 or .3 of a half-step . how can i do this?

Sal


how do you slightly adjust tuning on midi?
i need to adust pitch about .2 or .3 of a half-step . how can i do this?

Many hardware and soft synths have a tune function, could you just use that? or do you need the tune commeand built into your MIDI track?
 
It may be possible to control this via MIDI as RPN 01 turns Channel Fine tune on and off. RPN 02 does the same for course tune, but I can find reference to a CC in the standard MIDI implementation chart.
 
A possible work around may be to introduce a small amount of pitch bend and keep it constant through the track. It would get pretty messy if you were using pitch bend for anything else however.

if i could do this on keyboard that would be perfect.. its axiom 25.
i looked at manual online but couldnt figure it out and didnt want to read 150 pages to figure it out.  
thanks

Sal


if i could do this on keyboard that would be perfect.. its axiom 25.
i looked at manual online but couldnt figure it out and didnt want to read 150 pages to figure it out.  
thanks

You may be able to assign one of the controllers axiom 25 to the RPN. I would have to read the manual. To avoid having to read all 150 pages, try the index.

thanks.   im reading the manual but i still cant figure it out. ****ed maybe.
i can access the parameter but manual doesnt specify how to adust the values.
its m-audio axiom 25

Sal just joined us a few hours ago...I don't think he understands how to interpret questions asked to help him properly...[;]

I'm not familiar with the Axiom but with other M-Audio keyboard controllers that I've used you can't adjust tuning by "cents"...You can only adjust tuning in half-step increments...

Sal


oh ok, im just using the synths that came with producer,  dimension.

It would also help if we knew what you are trying to do. My first impression was you wanted to detune the synth to match some audio in the project, If so you may be better pitch shifting the Audio so it's in tune. That way your whole song won't be flat.
 
Or maybe to double track and thicken up the sound?
 
Or you have some acoustic instrument that is out of tune?
 
However as you are asking about doing it from your controller keyboard do you want to have real time control over the tuning, sort of like pitch bend?

If you want to detune the midi try to detune the synth, your midi is routed to a synth and you can add a pitch shift to detune the sound not the midi, this may work.

The problem is not Sonar. It is MIDI. MIDI was not really designed to manage less than the integer half steps it sends. You can, as other people have mentioned tune instruments (softsynths etc.) by setting their own tuning controls or loading microtonal scales. A MIDI file can be modified to send some type of control signal (typically pitch bend) to a synth that responds to that controller. Scala , for example, "Can retune existing MIDI files. You can convert a standard MIDI file to be in any tuning via pitch bend commands or a MIDI Tuning Standard tuning specification." But Scala is not as simple as just setting a parameter on a MIDI track. Perhaps the problem is that the programmers of Sonar do not know in advance how a particular instrument would respond to a given value of pitch bend or if it would respond at all. It is pretty simple on the other hand to just add an integer to an existing MIDI note to jump up in half steps.

Sal

 im just using the synths that came with producer,  dimension.

"Tune" is one of the parameters that is controllable in Dimension Pro.  It is normally set to zero but can be adjusted up or down between -100 and +100.

Sal (the OP) is still being enigmatic about why he needs such fine tuning. A complete explanation might lead to a better solution.

We'll have to wait for Sal's response, since I think we've made it clear that it's not up to SONAR (nor any host) whether or not a synth's tuning can be altered via its own GUI or RPNs.

I agree with Papa that it would help if we knew what he's trying to accomplish.

-Susan

strikinglyhandsome1


No need to worry about detuning the bass samples in Dim Pro

*LOL*

Or try going into the piano roll... or the event view and add a pitch bend to the beginning of the selection or the track of your choosing. Make sure that zero controllers on stop is switched off. Pitch bend is a bipolar control.... it's resolution will ultimately be determined by the resolution of the patch that the sound is generated in. As was said several times before altering the pitch may best be accomplished at the sound source and not at the control end.

Sal


im not trying to be enigmatic . lol  . guitar and bass wernt in tune when i recorded, and so im trying to make midi match. yes i know i could adjust the audio, but now im all curious about adjusting midi.

In that case you could just tune each VSTi using its own tune control in it's interface. Most soft synths can do this.