how to randomize automation ?

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2015/01/14 14:55:48 (permalink)

how to randomize automation ?

I was watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyHKZtCbbks regarding vocal doubling without actually re-singing the lead vocal, and wondered if there was a way to do this in Sonar.  Basically, create a copy of the vocal, slide it backward by a few milliseconds, then automate a delay ... randomly ... so that sometimes the copy is a little ahead of the original vocal and sometimes a little behind. 
 
I don't think that the VX-64 Vocal Strip doubler does this automatically, but maybe it does.  Who knows.......

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    scook
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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/14 15:19:25 (permalink)
    There is a random line draw type which can be used to create automation envelops.
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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/14 15:39:57 (permalink)
    You can also record random stuff using the analyzer plugin if I remember correctly.

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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 14:03:03 (permalink)
    OK, sort of.  I have a bunch of MIDI notes.  I want to randomize the velocities within an upper and lower boundary.  How do I do that?  Or, maybe, can I do that?

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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 14:12:09 (permalink)
    I describe a vocal randomizing/ADT technique using Melodyne Essential in the Cakewalk blog that works really well.

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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 14:14:35 (permalink)
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    OK, sort of.  I have a bunch of MIDI notes.  I want to randomize the velocities within an upper and lower boundary.  How do I do that?  Or, maybe, can I do that?




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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 14:24:06 (permalink)
    ok
    post edited by GregGraves - 2015/01/18 14:39:56

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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 14:32:22 (permalink)
    EXCEPT that velocity plugin is not available for the MIDI data assigned to a SoftSynth.

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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 14:38:48 (permalink)
    Definitely doable in CAL using the random function.
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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 14:43:24 (permalink)
    The midi velocity plug-in is available in X3. Are you using a simple-instrument track or split midi/audio?
     

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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 14:56:58 (permalink)
    I am using Rapture, driving that with MIDI.  The CAL program "VARYVEL.CAL" actually works.  Thanks Scook.  I entered the LOW velocity limit and the HIGH velocity limit, and there ya go!!  Works.
     
    The Midi Velocity Plugin will not work with a soft synth ... I even tried inserting a MIDI track, sticking the plugin in that, and try to drag it into the Softsynth track.  Nope.

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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 15:16:29 (permalink)
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    The Midi Velocity Plugin will not work with a soft synth ... I even tried inserting a MIDI track, sticking the plugin in that, and try to drag it into the Softsynth track.  Nope.




    Sure it does. I use it on soft synths all the time.

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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 15:54:31 (permalink)
    (I'm not at my workstation right-now so I may have the names wrong) If using split midi/audio tracks just right click the fx-bin of the midi track and choose velocity from midi-fx menu. If using a simple instrument track then select the track, open inspector, click the midi tab so you're using the midi part of it, right click in the fx-bin and select it from midi-fx. Now whether it'll do what you want it to is a different story.

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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 16:39:50 (permalink)
    Well I'll be a monkey's offspring, which, of course, we all are.
     
    I highlight the midi sequence, open the clip-fx-bin, add the velocity plugin.  Sweet.

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    Re: how to randomize automation ? 2015/01/18 17:06:49 (permalink)
    GregGraves
    Well I'll be a monkey's offspring, which, of course, we all are.
     
    I highlight the midi sequence, open the clip-fx-bin, add the velocity plugin.  Sweet.





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