how to stop clips moving when changing tempo?

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2011/07/25 08:08:00 (permalink)

how to stop clips moving when changing tempo?

I mostly use Sonar as a digital multitrack live-band tape recorder.
 
For this reason, I usually have the ruler at the top set to show Samples.
 
But if I change the metronome's tempo, Sonar shifts the start points of all my clips!
 
It seems this is because in the background, Sonar is still "thinking" in terms of beats and bars and shifts everything accordingly. 
 
Where can this can be disabled?
 
I searched through the X1 manual, but I don't know what Sonar calls this shift feature so I didn't know what to look for.
 
post edited by JazzSinger - 2011/07/25 08:09:43
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    lfm
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    Re:how to stop clips moving when changing tempo? 2011/07/25 08:31:39 (permalink)
    I'm thinking "anchor" something.

    But I found Sonar 8.x to have clips staying in the same spot, timewise. And changing tempo move measures beatwise, and thereby getting the effect you describe.

    When inserting a bridge, and change of tempo and stuff I often find I have to move clips manually.

    I would like to be able to anchor them to measures sometimes.
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    Re:how to stop clips moving when changing tempo? 2011/07/25 09:51:18 (permalink)
    The clips default to a "Musical" time base which references their times to measure:beat:tick.  You can change them to absolute time by selecting the clips, going to the Clip Inspector and changing the Time Base to "Absolute".  Now tempo changes won't "move" your clips in terms of hours:minutes:seconds time.

    The fatal flaw with Sonar is that you can only set clips to "Absolute" time. You can't set your automation to this. So if you have any automation that you want to stay locked to absolute time when you do a tempo change, you just simply can't do it.

    -Steve Corey
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    Re:how to stop clips moving when changing tempo? 2011/07/25 10:18:01 (permalink)
    JazzSinger


    I mostly use Sonar as a digital multitrack live-band tape recorder.
     
    For this reason, I usually have the ruler at the top set to show Samples.
     
    But if I change the metronome's tempo, Sonar shifts the start points of all my clips!
     
    It seems this is because in the background, Sonar is still "thinking" in terms of beats and bars and shifts everything accordingly. 
     
    Where can this can be disabled?
     
    I searched through the X1 manual, but I don't know what Sonar calls this shift feature so I didn't know what to look for.
     


    Hi, Jazz- The thing is, tempo is basically MIDI based.  If you're recording a band in "free time," in the sense that they're not following Sonar's metronome, then the tempo map in Sonar really has nothing to do with the band's performance.

    Why are you changing the tempo, when the band hasn't been following Sonar's tempo?-- You can use Absolute Time, as SCorey suggested, but the clips won't have any synchronized relation to the tempo map- you see?  - Right now, with the default Musical Time, the audio clips are changing their length because it's taking a different amount of time to play the same data.  The clips will still sound the same, but Sonar is squishing or stretching the visualization of the clips to keep up with what you're doing with the MIDI based tempo map.

    Randy B.

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    Re:how to stop clips moving when changing tempo? 2011/07/27 03:54:46 (permalink)
    TimeBase = Absolute did it!

    Funny, my initial instincts would have been to change Musical to Sample based. That doesn't seem to change anything, though.

    Anyway: Excellent advise, many thanks!
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