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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/19 10:06:39 (permalink)
Yes music is still an art for sure. And no matter how interesting any synth may be and how complex a sound it makes, it still comes down to the music at the end of the day. It is not enough in my opinion to just make an interesting sound. It is about what else is going on and where is it all going? The total composition.

The ideas need to be there, they need to well executed and then last of all well produced so it all sounds great and the best it can be. If any of those links are weak the end result is weak.

I am a synth fan from way back from the monophonic analog synths right up to the latest thing like IRIS. I love all of it! And this is what I like about software as well. It can develop and be implemented faster than any hardware synth which takes ages to come to fruition and then it cannot go further. But good ideas in the hands of a hardware instrument are still going to sound good no matter what.

I just love the options now though. Things like Prism, Alchemy and IRIS and all those great others too of course.


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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/19 11:06:08 (permalink)
Yep, a tweaker's dream. Dance, dubstep or ambient music at best.
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/19 13:40:38 (permalink)
LOL WENT TO BUY IT AT STORE  ......no stock ..went back with UVI ElectroSuite , Mach Five3 and Emulation 2 ....




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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/20 14:36:17 (permalink)
got it yesterday, helps if you have a good connection as there is a download also 4gb of sounds :) . Also watched the groove3 tutorial.

the only MINUS, so far I will say they charge for the backup dvd of the sounds.. I feel considering what they charge for it , it's a tad cheeky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMWUFLN7_SU 

is a nice watch, the guy who does it also does the groove3 tut's... 

more funny the people who are so anti it.. yet they don't have an informed opinion / used it.

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/20 16:24:16 (permalink)
Streamworks have dropped their video to $19.95 over the weekend. http://streamworksaudio.c..roducts/FA_iZotope_Iris
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/20 16:31:10 (permalink)
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got it yesterday, helps if you have a good connection as there is a download also 4gb of sounds :) . Also watched the groove3 tutorial.

the only MINUS, so far I will say they charge for the backup dvd of the sounds.. I feel considering what they charge for it , it's a tad cheeky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMWUFLN7_SU 

is a nice watch, the guy who does it also does the groove3 tut's... 

more funny the people who are so anti it.. yet they don't have an informed opinion / used it.


I just watched the video ... thanks for that, Fog.  It made me change my opinion 180 degrees.  The Izotope supplied promos I watched initially used non-musical samples and the results were predictably sound-scape-ish.  But this video shows beyond any doubt that this can be an immensely musical instrument as well.  Don't need another synth, but,well, damn you, Izotope ... I guess I'll be getting another one anyway!
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/20 22:15:34 (permalink)
How is this thing working out for all you guys who bought it? 

Worth it at the intro price do you think? 
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/21 02:19:58 (permalink)
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got it yesterday, helps if you have a good connection as there is a download also 4gb of sounds :) . Also watched the groove3 tutorial.

the only MINUS, so far I will say they charge for the backup dvd of the sounds.. I feel considering what they charge for it , it's a tad cheeky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMWUFLN7_SU 

is a nice watch, the guy who does it also does the groove3 tut's... 

more funny the people who are so anti it.. yet they don't have an informed opinion / used it.


I just watched the video ... thanks for that, Fog.  It made me change my opinion 180 degrees.  The Izotope supplied promos I watched initially used non-musical samples and the results were predictably sound-scape-ish.  But this video shows beyond any doubt that this can be an immensely musical instrument as well.  Don't need another synth, but,well, damn you, Izotope ... I guess I'll be getting another one anyway!


I'm with you on that.  I didn't need any more synths, but after checking out that video I was intrigued.  I bought it and am downloading the content tonight.  Look forward to checking it out in the morning.  (Maybe very early as I'm feeling a little like a kid on Christmas eve and wondering how I'm gonna get any sleep tonight.

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/21 08:35:20 (permalink)
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How is this thing working out for all you guys who bought it? 

Worth it at the intro price do you think? 

I wouldn't have bought it at full price *BUT* , you feel you do a bit like you have. as 3 optional extras.. 2 texture packs (wood / glass) and the additional DVD backup . it's way too soon to say and well personally I'm not in any state to make music let alone use it properly (got bad flu , ears are broke) for a few weeks .  It does have a CPU hit though, if you turn on some of the functions within it,  but that's to be expected as it's in real-time.. so a decent cpu is really a good idea.

the intro price is "ok" I did buy the textures also.. but US pricing in the UK is messed up slightly as opposed to their euro counterparts like NI. etc . I have to really justify buying a plugin these days that is actually something different from what I already own.

the comments geneally online so far about it, I have found amusing and in a few cases near mis-information.. I mean I looked into what it did before making blind comments / assumptions about it. others are comparing it to stuff that isn't anywhere like what it generates e.g. normal synths or stuff that is closer, but limited compared e.g. padshop
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/21 13:43:17 (permalink)
Yeah, just as I suspected, I was up at about 3AM to play with Iris for a couple of hours, then I slept for a couple of hours and have been at it again for hours.  It is so easy to come up with unique and useable sounds with this synth.  I'm really glad I grabbed it during the intro offer.

I'm coming at this with a fairly tech-savvy rock and metal guitar player's background, and I don't think it's just for sound designer's.  I do a little bit of electronic experimentation and I've learned most of what I know about synth programming from playing around with Pentagon, z3ta+ and a few others.  I watched that one video listed in this thread and I've checked the manual for one thing I couldn't find by looking at the screen and I've been off and running all morning.

Iris is unlike anything I've ever used, but at the same time, I find it quite intuitive and easy to program.  At some point I'll probably try to check out the manual for more info, but I really think this is one of the easier synths to manipulate and experiment with.  I don't really have the knowledge to go after a sound in my head and tweak the synth to get that sound, but I'm trying a lot of random stuff and getting a lot of very pleasant surprises.  I like that you can get one or two samples to carry a melodic or harmonic type of sound and have another to just do random texture sounds in the background.  I really like that kind of thing for pads and leads, etc.

Overall, this is one of my favorite new toys I've picked up in a while.  Glad I stumbled across this thread... even if my wallet is a little lighter now.

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/21 16:39:41 (permalink)
Anyone know how long the introductory price will be in effect?
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/21 17:02:21 (permalink)
4th of may according to their email. but thats just for Iris, the backup sound dvd is another $12 or something.. and ya want the textures with it as well.

http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/iris/buy.asp
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/21 17:38:00 (permalink)
Thanks Fog and Ghengis for your interesting responses. I just like the concept of it. I have not got it yet and was holding off till next pay but now as 4th May has been identified as the back to normal price date then I might get onto it sooner. For $249 then I am wondering is it good value. I suppose it is but for the $149 intro price I see that as good deal.

From the demos on the website I find Glass to be more interesting than Wood but then I might be wrong. Any ideas about that? I suppose getting the DVD's is just going to make the whole download process a bit easier. I have got a pretty decent connection and 4G is not so much of an issue.

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/21 18:18:04 (permalink)
I bought both glass and wood with the intro price, and I so far I agree that Glass is more interesting and probably more useful for musical ideas, whereas what I've heard so far from wood it's cool for special effects and textures. 

Haven't really spent as much time going through presets as I have been just tweaking sounds and drawing on the display to see how it affects the sound.  Built 7 or 8 sounds so far... not sure if they'll be useful in the context of a song, but I'm having fun exploring.  I think I need to go through the presets to see what kind of ideas I can borrow though. 

I almost passed on it because I have enough synths and didn't want to learn anything new, but it's so simple and unique that I'm glad I grabbed it. 

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/21 23:01:14 (permalink)
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...I find Glass to be more interesting than Wood but then I might be wrong. Any ideas about that?...

Well I figure I may as well get the bundle because that way you get wood for free!
This is a very unique synth. Completely original approach to making custom sounds.
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/22 06:27:27 (permalink)
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I almost passed on it because I have enough synths and didn't want to learn anything new, but it's so simple and unique that I'm glad I grabbed it. 

thats the reason I bought it, simply because I have too many synths based on the same sort of tech and a bit samey sounding.. Additive or subtractive etc. and a lot of the same as everyone else NI stuff etc.

there is 1 negative I've found .. it imports wav.. but doesn't do recycle , not sure about flac and ogg etc.






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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/22 16:20:41 (permalink)
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there is 1 negative I've found .. it imports wav.. but doesn't do recycle



Not sure what you mean by "recycle".  Could elaborate just a bit?

 


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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/22 16:28:47 (permalink)
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/22 17:41:34 (permalink)
So far I am loving Iris for the Radius option - this makes it a very basic but powerful sampler even if it eats the CPU like mad.  I could even resample the sound out of it and not worry about the CPU, I think for this use it is excellent!

I do like the spectral editing, but you don't have to do anything with it, just plunk in a sample and set it to Radius and off you go!

For those who don't know, Radius is a very high-quality pitch changing algorithm that time-stretches the sample as well as tunes it, so sounds playback at the same speed up and down the keyboard which I find essential!

It would be nice if you could multi-sample or internally resample, but I bet that could come in an upgrade version.

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/22 17:55:17 (permalink)
Now you guys got me trying this thing out ;) I think I'll buy it and use it as my 1st sample player/mangler. It's missing a few features from the hardware samplers, like assigning a midi channel to each sample, but the Radius play option is nice.
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/22 18:17:58 (permalink)
IRIS is not meant to compete with hardware or software samplers. It is completely different animal capable of doing things and creating sound in a completely diofferent way and should be thought of as such.

Just curious to those who own the full version of Alchemy. (I dont, I have the player only and even that is very impressive) How does the Spectral editor in Alchemy compare to IRIS after all it looks like it can do the same thing, yes!

Here is some stuff I picked up on the KVR forum. This guy is not all that impressed with IRIS and he says it needs further development. I would be interested to hear how those of you have been using IRIS feel about this guys comments.

Breeze wrote:
While I'm finding it fun to play with, Iris definitely feels like a work in progress to me. Some FR's:

1. Separate filters for each section rather than one Global filter. This puts a real damper on filtering each sample separately. It also means that all the FX sends are PRE-filter unless you use the FX master mode, but then you lose the sends per sample. There should really be one filter per section with an envelope dedicated to each, with a pre/post selection for the sends.


2. Limited Modulation resources. More LFOs assignable to different parameters would be most welcome. It would also be nice to see LFOs affect shape positions and filtering intensity... maybe even groups of them...


3. Macro routines for drawing. For example, if you want to fade in drawn sections (cone shapes) it should be a macro allowing you to rubber-band select the start section to whatever point and execute a fade in from start to selection. It should also be possible to draw straight lines, and other geometrical shapes.


4. The ability to "feather" and create subtle fade in/out effects with the drawn shapes, anywhere and to whatever degree. Currently the method in point 3 is the only way to simulate this, but whatever the shape, whatever is drawn simply plays at full volume.


5. Save of filter patterns. I can see the reuse of certain patterns with different content, which currently means re-drawing them every time.


6. Import of graphic images as filter patterns, with full transform and editing capabilities. Of course


I really hope they don't take all our ideas and the put out a $999 version like someone else mentioned, although you have to admit, as much as it's infuriating, that it's not a bad commercial strategy...


Also some are saying on the KVR forum that it takes such a CPU hit that it glitches when using sounds with slow attacks and slow releases even on an 8 core Apple Mac! Sounds with very slow releases are hard on any synth because the voices will overlap and build up quite quickly and before you know it you are using a lot of voices at once. I like creating very ambient sounds with very long releases so I am interested to see how it performs with these types of patches.

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/22 18:24:31 (permalink)
Who said IRIS was meant to be a sampler? It simply has some sampler-like features that are quite nice and could be resampled into another full-featured sampler.

The Radius function is brilliant and while I think there are other samplers that have a similar feature, I do not know what samplers they are and they probably aren't $150 (at least while that price lasts).

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/23 04:29:44 (permalink)
I'm on budget saving mode.. I'm thinking of stretching out and get this one, while the offer still last.. without getting the glass/wood sound libraries.. 

Will you missed much without those 2 packs ? Perhaps this will encourage me to make some original sound.
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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/23 08:41:25 (permalink)
Hi tomixornot  Usually a decent virtual instrument will come with a standard library and in this case it's 4G which represents a lot of raw materials to get started with.

Even back in the old days synths with just 8 Meg or 32 Meg of sample ROM could create tens of thousands of presets, all over a wide range of very different genres etc. 4G of data could generate an almost infinate number of patches you could work with.

There will be a lot of sounds to be able to play with I imagine. Think of Glass and Wood as being expansion packs taking a standard library further. But like anything expanding something out to the max is going to give you the best results. eg the standard library with the two extra expansion packs plus your own folder of completely original raw materials.

It is good to keep an eye on future expansion packs to see if they release things that really might take your interest.

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/23 09:04:26 (permalink)
Hahahahah!  I hear mostly glass chimes evolving out of ambience!  Is this some kind of joke?  This concept is not new:

This reminds me of Moog-ing, morphing and/or vocoding sounds ... that is accomplished with other VST plugins (Waves and UAD for example)

I suppose this product is great for ambience genres ... those creepy cold, inhuman, robotic sounds that have no beatz nor vocal warmth.  Like applying photoshop to a backround or such.

This product doesn't seem to possibly apply to my mixes ... where human emulations, paintings, brush-strokes, etc. take precedence with live instruments.

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/23 13:02:48 (permalink)
Philip - I have taken a cut from a flute and processed it using Iris then used the Radius function to play it and it is remarkably beautiful!  Perhaps you should try the demo and see what you can come up with?

In the end maybe this instrument isn't for you, but it sure works for me.

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/23 20:28:53 (permalink)
Phillip it is easy to think that very complex textural sounding instruments are best in that area alone and not so good for more normal musical duties. But all these great instruments have a very straight and musical sounding bank of sounds and presets in there within their library.

Instruments like Native prism and Alchemy have incredibly complex and soundscape type sounds for sure but they are riddled with just great sounding straight up sounds. IRIS has them too. Your music and mixes would more than likely benefit from such use. The quality of IRIS may be better than some of the instruments you are using now and deliver a higher quality sound for normal sounds such as strings, pads, leads etc ..

The way to find out would be to load the demo and work with it for 30 days or so. The standard bundled library would be part of the demo package and I am sure you would at least get if you are going to use it. I think I am going to just jump in and go for it! The only thing for me is that I would not mind knowing how the Spectral editor in Alchemy compares to IRIS and if they are doing something very similar. Maybe Jind might be able to answer that one more fully. I am fairly Alchemy proficient now with the player at least (I have many expansion packs for it) and see the upgrade to the full version a compelling option for me as well.



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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/24 10:56:53 (permalink)
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Hi tomixornot  Usually a decent virtual instrument will come with a standard library and in this case it's 4G which represents a lot of raw materials to get started with.

Even back in the old days synths with just 8 Meg or 32 Meg of sample ROM could create tens of thousands of presets, all over a wide range of very different genres etc. 4G of data could generate an almost infinate number of patches you could work with.

There will be a lot of sounds to be able to play with I imagine. Think of Glass and Wood as being expansion packs taking a standard library further. But like anything expanding something out to the max is going to give you the best results. eg the standard library with the two extra expansion packs plus your own folder of completely original raw materials.

It is good to keep an eye on future expansion packs to see if they release things that really might take your interest.

Thanks Jeff. The 4 gig should have plenty of sounds to get started.. I'll try to get the extra 2 libraries if possible.. I'll use Iris to try out sampling real sounds, as it seems easy to map out the pitch.




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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/24 17:03:28 (permalink)
I'm gonna have to quit coming here...at first I, like several above, thought "harumph, just another sound-design synth...no thanks".  Then I watched several of the video reviews and tutorials.  WOW.  I bet this thing will work for many, many types of genres and styles.  Natch...I ordered the dern thing. 

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Re:iZotope releases Iris amazing new softsynth 2012/04/25 00:43:43 (permalink)
Phonic


Philip - I have taken a cut from a flute and processed it using Iris then used the Radius function to play it and it is remarkably beautiful!  Perhaps you should try the demo and see what you can come up with?

In the end maybe this instrument isn't for you, but it sure works for me.
Very well, bro,
 
I'll try to download the demo and see what it does to my vox, piano, guitars ... based on you and so many other positive testimonials.  Its just that the Iris videos left me cold.

Philip  
(Isa 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD)

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