input echo

You're experiencing latency. Without system info, audio interface and driver mode, hard to help you.
Hopefully you aren't using your internal soundcard and not using ASIO4ALL and expect everything to be right.

thank you guys, I have tried the bypass and FX button and the input echo is still there, I have tried EVERY latency setting, its not plugin related, i have tried not loading no plugins at all on a vocal track, turn on the input echo and the delays happen again.
PC info::: windows 8.1
intel i3-3240 CPU @ 3.40GHZ ( the problem is still there on my i7 windows 10 also)
64x Bit
RAM::6.00GB
interface im using is the UR-22 by stienberg, (have  the same issues with UR-44, apollo, and presonus interfaces, ) and I have tried all latency settings
anything else i can try??
Wiz
Thanx 

I think what you are describing as "input echo" is the result of mixing the direct monitoring and with the signal being recorded at the same time. This is confusing because there is a function called "input echo" supplied by the DAW. If you want to monitor using the "input echo" buttons in the DAW, turn off direct monitoring in the interface. The time difference between direct monitoring and monitoring through the DAW is a function of the ASIO buffer settings. Chances are the best settings on the interfaces that you have are ~128 buffers somewhere around 7ms. Mixing both the direct signal and the signal being recorded in the DAW will always result in a mix with a slight delay. Otherwise, use direct monitoring for the signal going into the DAW and monitoring playback only from the DAW.

There is a Mix knob on the UR-22 to control the ratio of input (IOW direct signal) to DAW signal sent to the interface outputs. Since the direct signal goes directly to the interface outputs SONAR cannot control that feature of your interface.

Maybe you need one of these ... zero latency monitoring!
 
https://www.uaudio.com/au...s/apollo-twin-usb.html

If I needed very low latency, this video sold me on the UA!  Using the integrated UA plugins, you will not need to rely on your DAW for real-time monitoring.
 
Apollo Interfaces Basic Setup & Recording (Console 2.0)
https://www.youtube.com/w...e=21&v=-tKMgnkPxXY

papawiz
just watched the video, this seem like this would answer and solve my issue,  ill try it tomorrow, cause the guitar center employee told he has the same apollo interface thats in the video and using sonar he still had the delay on the input, which is why i was so stern that sonar needs to fix this issue in they next update, 
ill try it tomorrow, 
dont know if it will make a difference if i use the apollo twin with a different software cause in the video they are not using sonar

This solution gets you out in front of the DAW and away from any Sonar (or any other DAW) algorithms while you are tracking.  The UA does the FX processing for your monitoring solution, with sub 2ms delay.

scook
Some interfaces (for example RME and Motu) have effects built into a software mixer supplied with the interface. I am sure there are others that provide DSP in their software mixers.

Correct, I believe that RME and Motu also have models with the DSP hardware onboard the interface as well.  I frequently see all three names come up on these forums when low latency is discussed. No dependency on CPU cycles for real-time FX processing, or the DAW software for monitoring is required.
 
I just happened to think that Apollo has put out some good marketing info that illustrates how using external DSP  makes a difference, and used it as an example of what is possible.  You can push a button in the console software to either print the track dry, or with the added DSP FX, but the DAW should just keep rolling along in the background either way.

 
Chuck, this is not possible. 
Only one audio driver can be running in Sonar and how would on board sound find it's way to an interface anyhow. 
 
 
The OP is just trying to do what we all know will result in hearing the RTL delay of the system. 
Monitoring the back end of a DAW system will always result in some latency and don't believe the manufactures specs. Use your ears and will you hear something.
 
The OP mentions 2-3 seconds,, I think they meant to say ms. 
 
Jim R wrote this out once in a very good way to make it understood, I'll attempt the same but might not be as accurate. 
 
Round trip Latency is going to happen even with the very best interface. for the audio to get from the input back to the output it is processed multiple times, each process depending on it's quality and coding involved will add it's little bit of latency to make the sum total. 
 
First the A/D convertor.
Then the USB or Firewire system coming in
The CPU 
Then the audio driver talking to the DAW ( all DAW's perform the same people, don't blame the DAW) 
Any plug ins that add latency canalso  be  added, but this is one thing you can remove easily. 
Then the USB or Firewire going out
Then the D/A convertor to your monitoring system. 
 
Note: many under $500 interface use what is called a hidden Buffer which adds more latency that was reported. 
 
 
Solutions for those wishing to avoid hearing this are:
Use lower buffer settings.
Using a higher sample rate 
A some point this will need a very good System to support the lower buffers. Many systems using so so audio drivers and lower CPU horsepower will drop out. 
There are hardware solutions like above mentioned buy an interface with built in DSP and effects
Or use a hardware mixer with effexts for monitoring ( what I do ) 
 
A trick I've used to hear reverb from Sonar is to turn the track your recordings fader down or off. 
Insert an effects send to a reverb buss. Set it pre fader. Crank it up and you will hear the wet reverb now in the DAW output but you won't hear very much of the vocal track with it's delay. In a way the little bit of delay in the reveb buss become the effect. 
 

papawiz
all i was trying to do was see a way to record vocals in realtime with a little reverb already on the input audio track (vocal) by using the reverb on the input track inside sonar, ( i turned down / muted the master fader and the delay went away but cant hear the reverb,
well i have tried 4 interfaces on 3 different computers, and the issue is still there, wish they write a new algorithm just for this issue, 

If you're hearing ANYTHING with the master fader turned down that could ONLY be because you are directly monitoring from your interface.

Just to be clear, are you turning this knob all the way to DAW??
 

Cactus Music
Chuck, this is not possible. 
 

 
To eliminate the echo from input monitoring
1. Open the Windows Volume Control window:            
Windows 7: Click the Windows Start button and go to Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Volume Control. The Volume Control window appears.
 
2. In the Play Control window of the mixer, check the Mute check box in the Line-In column, or in the column of whatever jack your instrument is plugged into, and close the mixer window.
Now you can hear only the processed sound when you use input monitoring. Using WDM or ASIO drivers for your sound card keeps latency to a negligible amount.

Ya, Im not going to be debating anyone's ideas here. That's only confusing the OP and not helping.
I am however just taking an estimated guess (like you are).
 
This right here
 

papawizwell i have tried 4 interfaces on 3 different computers, and the issue is still there

 
It sounds like he is using the inputs of these 4 interfaces but not using the correct driver, instead he is using onboard audio driver.
Possibly the OP new to this and doesn't understand the set up process in preferences and that's okay, we all start somewhere.
 

This is really an old topic, the OP is asking about the best way to record "what u hear" and get his/her what u hear to be a signal without latency.....the only answer is what scook and cactus have been explaining. That no matter what daw, if one uses the AI monitoring as it's designed with it's onboard basic effects (if any, some don't have any) there's no or the absolute minimum RTL because it's before the daw. Often there's reverb, to give vocal artists some support, that's the most common.

If monitoring after daw effects, there will be some RTL in every daw. The more familiar a User is with his tools the better his results in setting up monitoring/recording.

It may be the OP will use all the good info here and solve his own questions. That's what most do, when trying out different settings, effects, etc.

papawiz - Thousands of SONAR users are monitoring through the DAW, with effects and low latency. Has any of the advice here helped you?

Latency-free hardware monitoring

The UR22 features latency-free hardware monitoring and an intuitive Mix knob that allows you to blend between the direct signal and the output of your host.