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inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
I'm fairly comfortable now with Audio input and editing but this whole midi part of Sonar is very complicated at first glance. I don't have a midi input device so I thought I'd try by mouse until I see if it's worth the trouble. I see an amazing and confusing pile of devices included. Step Sequencer Software synths Beatscape Studio Instruments Drop Zone Dimension Pro Rapture Session Drummer3 Etc Where should I start for basics via the mouse for input. Say for drums to start and then, once I'm comfortable, maybe bass then, once I get a keyboard eventually some strings?
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 00:03:07
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 08:40:31
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Use Session Drummer to create a drum track. All you have to do is load up a program, select a pattern and then drag the pattern to a MIDI track. Easy.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 10:26:58
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Ok thanks, I'm going to give that a try today. I'll look for some session drummer videos first.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 12:29:39
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So would you recommend using SD3 for drums and then some other program for bass? (again, no input keyboard, just mouse) I can see how other for instruments it would be better to have a keyboard for input.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 12:36:54
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If you are going to do much MIDI you really need to pick up some type of input device other than a PC keyboard/mouse, usually a keyboard. As for a synth, from the stuff supplied with SONAR, you might want to start with DimPro (esp. expansion pack 3) or the SI-Bass Guitar. But if you play guitar, you might as well pick up a bass rather than relying on a synth for bass.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 12:45:19
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So would you recommend using SD3 for drums and then some other program for bass? Yes, because Session Drummer only does drums. You can use TTS-1 or the SI-Bass program or any number of other softsynths (Pentagon, Z3TA+, Dim Pro, etc.) depending on what type of bass sound you want. There are many to choose from.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 15:01:06
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+1 for Dim Pro on the bass. There's lots of very usable patches included Also, don't overlook the Pentagon - it's just a shame there's no better patch management - you'll find Bass patches scattered across many banks!
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 15:52:14
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Thanks guys. I guess I'm hedging my bets, not wanting to buy a bunch of gear I'll not use if I don't find the MIDI thing useful. I don't mind studying and I don't mind paying for gear but I hate to waste either one.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 16:10:59
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Understood, MIDI input can get very tedious with just a PC/keyboard and mouse. A cheap keyboard even for non-keyboard types like myself really speeds things along. You also have a lot of MIDI files installed with SONAR that are good starting points. Check them out in your SONAR media browser. FYI, I suppose you already found the Cakewalk channel at Youtube.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 19:37:03
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Yes thanks. There's a ton of stuff. Sonar is an amazing bang for the buck.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 19:43:05
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by not using a controller , you are missing out on more.. drawing stuff in by hand isn't the same for a number of reasons.. doesn't have to be anything high end. Any old keyboard that can do midi out, even if it's like say 10+ years old. You won't won't to go back to using keys.. it's like me asking you to play guitar in boxing gloves.. don't quite work.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 21:25:13
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Thanks. I'm sure I will find this is true. It's a problem of not knowing what I'll need, due to not knowing what I'm doing. I'm reading the Scott Garrigus X1 Power over and over trying to get my head around the subject. I need to break things into functions. So far it sounds like there are Players (Step sequencer, the synth rack??) (that contain soft synths?) and there are soft synths (true pianos, Session drummer,TTS1, Studio instruments) that have the sounds? Then there are sounds made from samples of real instruments or created from scratch? This is not making sense. I need a metaphor from something I understand. Do you open a Player, run a soft synth, and then choose a sound?
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 21:30:08
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you pick a synth in the synth rack (that in turn makes a audio AND midi track)... then a patch on that synth.. and hit keys and you get sound via the soundcard the instruments can either be made from the pc's power or samples (recorded in the real world) and it just plays them back .e.g live strings or a drum loop for example.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 22:15:33
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Thanks. Ok Confirm it goes: 1. Keyboard with midi out (thru USB or midi thru another device like an M Box to get it into the computer?) 2.In Sonar, open (Import from the browser) the Synth Rack, which sets up the tracks needed and configures the keyboard I assume. 3.In the synth rack open a Soft synth instrument. (SI Bass or session drummer for example) 4.Play the keyboard and you get the sound? Where does Session Drummer fit in here?
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 22:46:55
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pretty much that, most will have USB so thats the easier option otherwise you need a midi interface to hook it to a pc (more money) yep sonar will set up the track.. but if you click on the instrument in the rack.. you get to see it's interface / pick patches.. remember by default things like dim-pro etc. do not have sounds loaded when you start them. as long as the tracks are armed you can record what you play also.. not all things have sounds mapped to every key .e.g. session drummer.. the lower octaves will start/stop a pattern while further up you have the stand alone sounds.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/16 23:02:17
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I watched the master class video again and it's starting to sink in. Thanks for your patience and help.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/17 00:52:49
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There's a video on my youtube page called X1 MIDI for beginners that explains the routing and how it works for both soft synths and hardware. I agree with others though, yes you can use them without a controller but once you get one you'll be wondering why you didn't get it earlier. Not only is it quicker it'll ultimately produce better results. I'm no keyboard player but I can sure play one with more feel than I can a mouse. HTH
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/17 01:07:59
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Perfect, Thanks. This helps a lot.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/17 03:42:40
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Glenn, I bought one of these for my downstairs rig, and it works perfectly for my needs.
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2012/09/17 10:23:41
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/17 10:27:49
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So far Glenn, absolutely rock solid.
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Re:inputting midi/synth drums and bass?
2012/09/17 16:04:41
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Huh, Alesis QX25 25-Key Advanced MIDI Keyboard Controller $99 in the US but not shipping to or available in Canada. ("restricted "she says) Guess I'll wait until I go down there.
post edited by M_Glenn_M - 2012/09/17 16:14:35
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