installing X1c was a bad idea so far...can I uninstall it?

 personally I was very (very) happy with X1b, no crashes, no problems since I intalled that patch.
I'm working on X1 the whole day, sometimes my PC remains on power for weeks, and I even leave Sonar open for several days, and next day i resume work from the previous night just like that, wonderfull, stable and reliable, perfect really.

I didn't even try to use soft synths since I run X1c, I'm just mixing and recording audio.

Now, since I upgraded to 1c it's just a nightmare.

Symptoms:
-in any project, "save" takes a while, when it was quite immediate on X1b. Sometimes goes for 1 minute...
-after working on a project for 20 minutes or so, "PLAY" takes a while too (20-30 seconds after y click Play!) and sometimes Sonar just hangs.
If I try to stop it (via task manager or clicking in the "close window" X) Windows crashes.
Recently , after Sonar froze I thought that it just hanged, and instead of rebooting, I just leave it there and 20 minutes afterwards playback resumed.
-Projects with Altiverb on it just can't make it..
-When editing using the smart tool, the tool cursor stays frozen in a certain place in the screen even even if I still can move it and use it, it remains as an image in the screen. etc..

So beware before installing X1c.
Personally I can't recover windows to a previous date, it doesn't work.

In case somebody can help: So is there any way to remove X1c ? How can I perform a full uninstall an fresh reinstall X1 from scratch ? Cheers dd


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yeah, that's what i'll do, just warning other fellas there cause there's a thread about "install or not" X1c that everybody seems to be in heaven with it. Not me.

not really, save your projects of course, global settings and whatever you added after initial installation.

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ok, cool

how about upgrading Windows instead? XP is kinda old already so don't expect too much of backward compatibility looking forward from new applications..

it seems weird that you would have such drasticly different results from one update.  it sounds like X1c is totally incompatible with your system.   i just updated my vista machine two days ago and had a flawless session last night.  my W7 system has had it a few weeks.        see if u can find anyone else running XP that is having this issue.  in the meantime, get yourself back to X1bliss.         i was hesitant to upgrade for this very reason.   i wasnt having any issues and I didnt want to create any

 thanks mudgel, I'm still trying something else (I'll explain diwn later fyi) but eventually will follow your precedure to fully uninstall X1c and go back t the X1b happy days. dd

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In fact there is a more thorough un-installation procedure than just using Windows or SONAR's uninstaller. It does require using regedit to edit the registry. It is not only a good idea it is a requirement for a proper setup too accept a fresh installation. If you allowed SONAR to follow it's default installation process then you need to do the following. Delete the following folders: C:\Users\Michael\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR X1 Producer C:\ProgramData\Cakewalk\SONAR X1 Producer delete the following registry Keys [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X1] [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\X1] regards, Mike V. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

 

@BlixYZ
thanks man, I agree and have the same feeling, it was smooth and easy before the X1c update, it's weird that one update produced such a disaster, it's really WinXP updates combined with X1c and Avira 10 that produced this .

I got a message from "dan le" stating that it sounds like a Plugin problem, I'm trying his suggestion (reset+rescan plugins) and post results after I test for a while..

Thanks

i wouldnt leave a PC/app running for weeks on end, whoever suggested that to you gave you bad advice, i would suggest you restart the system once for every day that it is used
 
 
you mentioned that you installed Windows updates the same day you installed X1C, if SONAR is no longer playing well with your system it could be an XP update that hosed things, i know from experience that Windows Updates can screw a system up, you cannot definitely blame X1C here
 
 
you mention that System Restore doesnt work, i would never rely on XP's System Restore anyway, get your system back in working order even if you need to rebuild the system, then create images of the system in stages as you are rebuilding things, name the images with names such as "pre-service-pack-3", "pre-SONAR-X1C", use an app such as Acronis TrueImage, then before you make those incremental changes/updates to your system, such as X1C, a Windows Service Pack, hardware install, etc, IMAGE YOUR SYSTEM FIRST, that way if something gets hosed you can be back to your previous working state in no time, good luck 

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QUOTE :::It sounds to me like plugins problems. I mean with the 32 bit plugins.
Noel said to reset all plugins. So why don't you try that, before reinstalling anything.
Reset and rescan again.

dan le>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



Well, I did this, click RESET plugins en Preferences, then wait for Sonar to react after that click (20 minutes) then closing Sonar (25 minutes) and re-boot to update Registry (more than 30 minutes, very patience-nerves testing wait, but eventually XP rebooted alone).

After that and deleting AUD.INI things got definitely better, X1c is stable, but still have the feeling that XP suffered from this affair, it's slightly slower than before, and sometimes acts funny, but is still quite stable. And Sonar works ok now, just have some latency issues I didn't found before:

-Playing soft synths (mostly NI Akoustik Piano , B4, etc) through midi keyboard works find (no latency) till I hit the REC button, then latency (huge) starts and remains. -Playing a midi sound from my midi keyboard instead works fine, then copying the midi data to that soft synth midi track, etc
BUT I did have some Out Of Sync playing after recording, ie I rec midi ok, when I playback to check it out, audio & midi are out of sync, then I stop, press PLAY again and sync it's ok. Weird, reminds me of the old Pro-Audio days....

I'm updating my MOTU drivers now (still using the old 828). Got this sugestion to try WDM instead of ASIO:


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About the high latency, can you try WDM instead of ASIO? If your interface supported it? I always use WDM because in WDM, you can raise or lower the latency bar at will. And the sound is the same, not like what other people say. With WDM, you can leave the sample rate at like 256 or 128 and let the slide bar in Preferences, Driver Settings, do the latency adjustment. It is just neat. Now if you are stuck with ASIO, then delete the AUD.INI file ( search it) and rebuilt your soundcard profile. It is done automatically when you start up Sonar again.
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but I used WDM for ages (from the first proaudio till sonar 6) and switching to Asio proved to solve many issues so I stick to Asio. Deleting AUD.INI did work, I just recorded a track through Akoustik Piano allright.


Hope this helps others, thanks everybody for your help, thanks dan le, best

dd

I uninstalled the demo on one of my machines and had to then uninstall 7 and 8.5, and intsall 8.5, because the extention association was nuked.

Does not appear to have affected anything else. So far.

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the chipset drivers as stated should be done right after
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bios is a last resort and should be done by a qualifyd tech ONLY, remember i said read about it !! 1st

correct there is no risk !!