is Multidock "stupid" when it comes to using more than one screen?

I think you got it right by saying it's geared more for one screen. :-(
What I've been doing lately is to put the console and browser both in the multidock and then undock the multidock and then move that to the second monitor. Seems to remember that on reload of a project but I have to reassign it all over again with each new project. The upside for moving the whole dock to a second screen is that it gives me lots more realestate on the first screen for the Track View.

I do what drumr does and save it as a screenset.

This seems to me like some kind of bug with the console. With most other views, staff view, video, and so on, I can place them on a second monitor and Sonar will remember their position. The console however seems destined always to migrate back to screen 1.

The X1b patch is supposed to fix the multidock collapsibility when it is floated. This was a peeve of mine when X1 first came out and I'm happy it's getting fixed.

Generally I could agree with the "toy" comments, especially with X1's interface elements being so unexpectedly large on standard res displays. I finally bit the bullet and upgraded my display sub-system (GPU and 2 new monitors for $300) and not only does it help the "toy" factor but I also achieved significant horsepower increases. Who knew my GPU was holding me back all this time?

With all that taken into account, having a series of views at a single keystroke is very nice.

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Multi-Dock is dumb full stop!!!!!  It dumbs down the interface and gives software a toy like experience.  I don't have x1 but I have used the multidock in project 5.  What a stuff around.

Dr.Hash
www.aaudiomystiks.com

I'm not a lawyer but I did stay at a holiday in last night.

You can't have an educated opinion about X1 if you've used P5.....

Why? I have looked at the promotional material and screenshots of Sonar X1 and from what I have seen Project 5 and Sonar X1 share a lot of similarities in terms of GUI.  The multi dock was also first implemented in Project 5.  I have used a/the muti-dock I don't like it as I have said it makes the user experience toy like.
 
Ok if you are going to produce dance beats or if you a hoybiest or if as I am thinking Sonar becomes a live instrument and once all the bugs are fixed or at least it is stabilised then Sonar X1 could be good.  But as a composer/producer of hybrid music, that is real recorded instruments and midi ones, Sonar has lost me as a customer.  Plus from what I have seen in Cubase it now eclipses Sonar.
 
What we are seeing here is a repositioning of DAW makers; from my research this is happening in ten year cycles.  Almost 10 years ago Logic became a MAC only program it then lost me as a customer and I ported to Sonar.  Sonar cuts my GUI down to corner the dance and hobbyist market and it looses me as a customer.
 
As I say I will continue to use Sonar as a live instrument but I will be going to cubase in the near future because of a superior set of features aimed at my production style.
 
Finally my belief is that you now need at least three DAW's to have a complete set of production tools.
 
Dr.Hash
www.aaudiomystiks.com 

Yeah, I did what I said and then locked the no. 1 screenset.

Ok I here I go again.  This is my third time I have been banned and my forth moniker.  I cant post a picture but when you open up project 5 it has a dock you press on the float button and it floats the screen, when you press the dock button it docks.
 
The only difference between Sonar X1's multi-dock and Project 5's dock and undock device is the word multi also Sonar X1 is a bit more fancy.
 
How is this if I am correct not be a cut down GUI interface in Sonar?  How is this Sonar X1 now not just a fancier version of Project 5?
This has been my argument all along.
 
It is all well and good to want to corner a particular market but don't forget about the user's who are already loyal and also do not try and repackage a different program (Project 5) and call it Sonar.  it may have all the bells and whistles of Sonar that is effect's, instruments and various other things but if you are using an old idea for the GUI and re-branding it as Sonar and as something amazing and new when if fact it is not then we have problem. 
 
Finally this multi-dock punishes those who do not have multiple monitors as I have stated I have an 80 cm one why on earth do I need two.  This is also a dangerous policy if as I believe that the program is being marketed toward the hobbyist who most of the time don't have two monitors either. 
 
I will continue to use Sonar in it's present form and updated form as I have already mentioned, that is primarily a live instrument.  This is what I brought Project 5 for in the first place.  As I have also mentioned you now need at least three DAW's to all audio jobs and Sonar comes with a fine compliment of effects and instruments so of course it is one of the three I will keep using.
 
Benjamin Phillips
B.C.T (Bachelor of Creative Technology) JMC Academy, Melbourne, M.M.T (Masters in Music Technology) University Of Newcastle
www.aaudiomystiks.com

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Oh lookee that, I just had to open P5 up to remind myself of this, yes it does float!

Of course, that said, so what? Is you main complaint that a Cake product once also had a floating/dockable view editor? 

It's no secret many P5 elements were brought into SONAR since it got discontinued. The arpeggiator is not a secret after all. 

I think calling out a features origins as a way of demeaning it doesn't hold water at all. I doubt Cake would deny the P5-centric origins of some of these features (Sheesh, Seth in particular is quite proud of it as he was the main P5 man) nor do I find it terrible that they're basically "v2" of them. Quite the contrary actually, if anything Cakewalk NOT taking time to evolve features is far more of a consequential claim.

 
 
But that is just my point and you have proved my argument, how can something that is new and innovative be just that if is taken from an older program, how can a cut down GUI which is my main problem with what is going on be good for us who are not using loops and the like to make music. 
 
I want a continuation of what Sonar was before we got a Project5/Sonar hybrid.  Before we go down the path where Sonar and Project 5 is merged fix and include some of things that users have already mentioned eg: audio snap, vvvocal, a gap-less audio engine and varispeed.  Then if it is necessary fix the GUI.
 
Dr.Hash
www.aaudiomystiks.com

dr.hashmk4
But that is just my point and you have proved my argument, how can something that is new and innovative be just that if is taken from an older program, how can a cut down GUI which is my main problem with what is going on be good for us who are not using loops and the like to make music.  

Uh, well the light bulb is an old idea too. Every year new lighting products come out that are revolutionary. Moving lights, LEDs, blah blah. I suppose those aren't innovative either?


Look man, if your problem is the marketing-speak around Skylight, I'm not gonna argue that one. It's a lot of salesey speak. But upon using these elements they offer great benefits. If you don't like them or don't want to use them that's certainly your perogative. But trying to undercut them because they're evolutions of previous ideas seems like a weak...and pretty tangential...argument.


As for life before X1...I don't think they're going to go backwards. So if you want to keep using SONAR into the future I'm afraid you're probably going to have to make peace with that or look elsewhere.

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I do what drumr does and save it as a screenset.

I wish that the screen sets weren't project specific.  I know that I can import screen sets, but that requires me to have the source project open, which is kind of clunky.  For me, 10 screen sets are enough for all my projects.

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