MGB5
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latest windows updates cause problems?
Last week I posted that sonar x1 was suddenly crashing when I opened v-vocal. windows 7 updates had just been added. I did a system restore and all was well. It's happening again and I think that once again it was after updates were loaded on the computer. Has anyone else had problems with the latest updates or heard of reports of crashes?
Michael
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 18:28:48
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I have all the latest Windows updates and no problems with X1.
I'm using Win 7 Professional 64 bit SP1 and X1D Extended 64 bit.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 18:30:15
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Huh... you may want to let Cake know about this so they can test it out. V-Vocal may need an update if that's what's going on.
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MGB5
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 18:31:15
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I"m on windows 7 64 X1 studio. It usually works fine but once again it crashes when I try to create a v-vocal clip. Maddening.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 18:31:53
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@firebird... but are you using v-vocal? No problems here but I haven't opened that particular plug yet.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 18:33:19
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Now that you mention it I thought my system ran slower after a recent update. I did a system restore that seemed to help. Again today I updated but also updated a couple of programs also. Seems sluggish again. Can't confirm the exact cause but I kinda suspect the same thing.
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MGB5
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 18:38:45
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bounce to clips made it crash sometimes too. Have not tried that one yet today.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 18:38:50
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Well that's a drag. Windows took over my system for updates recently too and although everything seems to be working properly I am only doing very basic tasks. However I did open Dim Pro and loaded a program for the first time yesterday and it did lag/not respond for a few seconds while loading. I just figured that was normal but since I optimized the system I hadn't had ANY kind of behavior like that. Friggen' Microsoft, man. Is there ANYTHING they can't screw up?
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MGB5
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 18:53:55
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I've reported the problem but I don't want to keep removing updates and doing a system restore.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 19:00:06
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So turn auto updates off for now. Maybe you can isolate which part of the update is causing problems.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 19:05:28
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Seriously if you see anything that has to do with Messenger or Bing don't install it. About a month or so ago MS was forcing a Bing tool thingy and people were freaking about it. They stopped it but they might be attempting something similarly sneaky. I'm really curious now.
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MGB5
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 20:21:10
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I just did a system restore again to eliminate the recent updates and so far v-vocal seems to be working. I have no idea how to figure out which update is causing the problem. I guess I could update them one at a time and see what happens. I have auto updates turned off (I thought I had before but the computer told me last night that it was doing updates before shutting down.)
I reported the problem to cakewalk support. Don't know if it will do any good.
Michael
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 21:28:14
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You know what, I just did a round of updates this week, and since then SONAR has been opening very slowly. It seems to run fine, but I haven't tried v-vocal. I'll check that out ASAP.
EDIT: Sonar X1D Expanded 64, Win7 64
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 21:41:16
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Well I'd say these are enough reports to warrant an investigation. I'm noticing some other odd behavior too.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 21:51:19
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Just did a reboot to double check...
Lag on opening X1
Serious lag on opening a simple project
Can't scroll in the Pro Channel Track inspector nor is there a scroll bar.
Not gonna try the Dim Pro thing again but that was a little whack too.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 22:14:43
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you might find it's to do with hardware.. sonar , like other music programs is only using what it's been given to work with.. so if audio drivers etc. flake out then it has a knock on effect.. been there, got the t-shirt and the mug *sigh*
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 22:23:46
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No... I'd say it has to do with Microsoft and their insipid, poorly executed updates. If they messed up my system just when I was getting this thing happening... well... I'll just poop.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 23:51:06
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Sounds to me like you need to report it to M$. What can CW do about M$ updates?
Also, I have no issues with updates, W7x64. But I do only install the ones I determine are needed. No messenger, like mentioned, no silver whatever, etc. No IE9, still on IE8 and firefox
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/21 23:55:27
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Not my thread but I think what happens is CW bases their future updates on how Windows is moving with theirs. It happens all the time with other stuff. Windows breaks something and everyone else has to update all their crap. It's annoying.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 00:08:46
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Well now my PC scrolling is back on a new channel. WTH?
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 00:41:41
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Color me paranoid, but I have Windows Update turned off on my DAW. My machine is used for nothing else and it works well enough even though it's ancient by today's standards. I don't even have it connected to the net unless I'm downloading patches or new software.
My DAW works and I don't want to risk changing anything. I have so little time to hang in my studio the last thing I want to do is fight some weird MS Update induced problem and burn up that time.
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jimmyrage
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 05:40:17
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The performance issues I'm experiencing seem to effect my whole system, not just Sonor. Everything just seems sluggish in general.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 05:56:57
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FWIW, I would never have automatic updates enabled on my DAW.
At the very most I'd set it to manual so I could choose what get installed and what doesn't.
My old Daw was never connected to the internet from 2007 through 2012 and guess what, never a single system problem.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 06:19:04
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yeah, updates should be set to notify only if connected
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 07:23:22
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Generally my DAW is not online but after updating a program a few days ago I noticed a windows update message. Win 7 service pac 1 and several what they call critical security updates. Seems like that 's when the changes/problems began. Just did another system restore and everything seems to be back to normal. I did have a worm on my system apparently from transferring files with a jump drive. MS security ess. on the work computer detected it. Funny thing. That didn't seem to cause any noticeable problems. Bristol_Jonesey
FWIW, I would never have automatic updates enabled on my DAW.
At the very most I'd set it to manual so I could choose what get installed and what doesn't.
My old Daw was never connected to the internet from 2007 through 2012 and guess what, never a single system problem.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 11:08:34
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DAW always connected as I don't have the luxury of several PC's/Laptops !
No lagging, nothing. No issues whatsoever with the latest batch of MS updates. Just make sure the automatic bit is turned off.
Sonar will open some projects rapidly (5 - 10 seconds and others slowly (20 seconds plus). Depends on what it has to load at project start-up.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 11:18:45
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I always hear the advice "don't update if everything works", but that really doesn't fly in the computer world. Like it or not, we ARE forced to update. If I buy a new piece of software or hardware which doesn't work, the first question tech support will ask is which OS and software/driver versions I run. If I'm running IE7 on Windows XP service pack 1 with audio drivers from 2007, I'm SOL, they will tell me to update my computer and call them back. Doesn't matter how well it WAS running.
Also, viruses are an issue whether connected to the internet or not. Ever have someone bring in a flash drive/hard disk and you need to copy files off of it? Happens all the time here. You can do a scan, but it's pointless if your virus definitions are out of date. Even programs like Java and Acrobat have weaknesses that can and will be exploited, Blacole is a recent one I've seen that comes to mind. All you need to do is click or copy the wrong file and you're screwed, your out of date system will be extremely vulnerable.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 11:28:04
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Let us know how you resolve this, I will be building a new Win7Pro x64 machine (first new DAW in 8 years). I occasionally use v-vocal if I don't want to bother someone to re-track. The DAW parts are piling up, but I won't build it until the end of the summer after our gigs wrap up and after all the camping/fishing trips are over. I know myself, I am a mono-threaded wonder, I don't dare start a project like that because I won't stop until I emerge victorious, which would be a bad thing right now. LOL! a few days ago I noticed a windows update message. Win 7 service pac 1 and several what they call critical security updates. jimmyrage
Generally my DAW is not online but after updating a program a few days ago I noticed a windows update message. Win 7 service pac 1 and several what they call critical security updates. Seems like that 's when the changes/problems began. Just did another system restore and everything seems to be back to normal. I did have a worm on my system apparently from transferring files with a jump drive. MS security ess. on the work computer detected it. Funny thing. That didn't seem to cause any noticeable problems.Bristol_Jonesey
FWIW, I would never have automatic updates enabled on my DAW.
At the very most I'd set it to manual so I could choose what get installed and what doesn't.
My old Daw was never connected to the internet from 2007 through 2012 and guess what, never a single system problem.
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 11:44:12
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I always hear the advice "don't update if everything works", but that really doesn't fly in the computer world. Like it or not, we ARE forced to update. It does work if you have a dedicated DAW _and_ you just want to focus on the music _and_ you have reached tool saturation. I look at all the new plug-ins and SW out there and it is all very appealing, but every time I ask myself if more plug-ins or different recording software program will take me to the next Level the answer is "No!" so I pass. What I really need is just "time", more time to practice, and more time to record. I do remember the early days of my recording adventure, and yes, I was buying software like crazy! I was a total gear slut. But, I outgrew that phase. Well, I was kind of forced to ... We had twins 9 years ago and I had to decide if I wanted to make music, or just fight Microsoft update problems and blow money like it grew on trees. Or, I could use the 3 hours a week (all I can ever hope for) making music. At the end of summer I'll be building a new DAW for the first time in about 8 years, and during those 8 years I have only updated SONAR with patches and added Google Chrome to my DAW. As a result it just kept working, and working, and working ... I have a huge pile of recordings as a result. As always, YMMV.
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eric_peterson
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Re:latest windows updates cause problems?
2012/06/22 11:51:00
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I don't have the problem of outside files as my studio is private, only my band and I use it. I don't take paying clients. It's a closed system. However, if you are working with clients and are vulnerable, you could just scan (pre-screen) the files on a different PC that is connected to the net and has recently updated virus definitions, a cheap PC that is not mission critical to your studio operation. Also, viruses are an issue whether connected to the internet or not. Ever have someone bring in a flash drive/hard disk and you need to copy files off of it? Happens all the time here. You can do a scan, but it's pointless if your virus definitions are out of date. Savagery
I always hear the advice "don't update if everything works", but that really doesn't fly in the computer world. Like it or not, we ARE forced to update. If I buy a new piece of software or hardware which doesn't work, the first question tech support will ask is which OS and software/driver versions I run. If I'm running IE7 on Windows XP service pack 1 with audio drivers from 2007, I'm SOL, they will tell me to update my computer and call them back. Doesn't matter how well it WAS running.
Also, viruses are an issue whether connected to the internet or not. Ever have someone bring in a flash drive/hard disk and you need to copy files off of it? Happens all the time here. You can do a scan, but it's pointless if your virus definitions are out of date. Even programs like Java and Acrobat have weaknesses that can and will be exploited, Blacole is a recent one I've seen that comes to mind. All you need to do is click or copy the wrong file and you're screwed, your out of date system will be extremely vulnerable.
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