layers do not move correctly vertically

Ok so far in X1b the layers in a track seem to lasso nicely... so far (fingers crossed).

I just tried to move a set of selected clips and funny things are still happening. Im about to give up on layers because this kills workflow on working with layers big time.

This is sad because tracks layers could be so useful to editing comps-

First thing I tried in X1b yielded fail results.

I reported this bug (among 1 or 2 others related to track layers) before with no real response, pretty much just denial from somebody that seems to not really "know".

Here is a link to the video-

Hopefully this time when I report the bug again with a video, maybe they will take me seriously...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwUVHorD1d0



Sorry about low rez graphics - it rendered low (I didnt check it) but you can still get the point-

From what I can tell in the video, you try and move them down where it creates a new layer, so I'm not surprised nor as aghast that the layers stop and collide like a marching parade hitting a brick wall. (I'm thinking specifically of the scene from Animal House when Bluto detours them into the alley)

I think that's why UP works fine, since there's room for every layer to move they move fine.

In your scenario you could just insert a new layer to build your comp from there. Technically, at least according to SONAR's pre-X1 workflow, you wouldn't move anything to build the comp you're talking about, you'd use the mute tool. I agree it would be cooler if layers behaved a little more like tracks than themselves, but sheesh man the lasso bug being solved makes me so giddy I haven't gotten around to being mad at anything else yet. :)

Did you not read my reply?

yes and tried it again- it doesnt work right man-

Going up it works good- going down it doesnt-


Moving one clip works fine - it is when moving multiple clips that it is not functioning correctly



Eveything your saying sounds good except --- it doesnt unstack them a lot of time-

lucky you! lol

just move the top clip only one layer down while highlighting them all with atleast 2 layers with no clips in them

Ill make you another video- 

Lanceindastudio


Ill make you another video- 

I don't need another video. Just tell me with words.

There is atleast 2 EMPTY layers below all clips in the track. Im trying to move all clips down just 1 layer. when I do so from anywhere but them bottom, one clip will end up stacked on another even though they were all highlighted for the move.

When I drag them all fromt he bottom clip to the next layer down, they all go further then where I dragged to.

Going up draggin from top clip works good every layer I move them up, except if I move them clicking ad dragging at any but the top layer 2 clips still stack which is a glitch since they all should move up equally-

It is a bug man.

I looked at your video again.  I tried exactly what you're doing and I get the same results as you.  As long as you drop the clips in a layer that's already being used, the clip that is in the destination layer, will stay there (not move) and 2 clips get stacked on top of each other in the same layer.  It also happens going up if you try to move something to a layer that has a clip in it.
 
If you drag everything to empty layers, there's no problem (up or down).
 
The workaround is to drag to completely empty layers. Perhaps, there's a reason for this behavior that we don't understand?
If not, then it's a bug.

Lanceindastudio


There is atleast 2 EMPTY layers below all clips in the track. Im trying to move all clips down just 1 layer. when I do so from anywhere but them bottom, one clip will end up stacked on another even though they were all highlighted for the move.

When I drag them all fromt he bottom clip to the next layer down, they all go further then where I dragged to.

Going up draggin from top clip works good every layer I move them up, except if I move them clicking ad dragging at any but the top layer 2 clips still stack which is a glitch since they all should move up equally-

It is a bug man.

I think it is too, Lance.  But I have to add that Sonar never handled layers well imho.  It doesn't take much for them to get messy.   I only use them when I think it won't be a big deal -- otherwise I just create another track as opposed to a layer.
 
I know that doesn't help when "comping", but what can I say.   There are still bugs in there.
 
 

pinguinotuerto


I looked at your video again.  I tried exactly what you're doing and I get the same results as you.  As long as you drop the clips in a layer that's already being used, the clip that is in the destination layer, will stay there (not move) and 2 clips get stacked on top of each other in the same layer.  It also happens going up if you try to move something to a layer that has a clip in it.
 
If you drag everything to empty layers, there's no problem (up or down).
 
The workaround is to drag to completely empty layers. Perhaps, there's a reason for this behavior that we don't understand?
If not, then it's a bug.

Thanx for bearing with me on this. Im glad you can see what Im talking about now! Your time is appreciated.

Lanceindastudio

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Lanceindastudio


There is atleast 2 EMPTY layers below all clips in the track. Im trying to move all clips down just 1 layer. when I do so from anywhere but them bottom, one clip will end up stacked on another even though they were all highlighted for the move.

When I drag them all fromt he bottom clip to the next layer down, they all go further then where I dragged to.

Going up draggin from top clip works good every layer I move them up, except if I move them clicking ad dragging at any but the top layer 2 clips still stack which is a glitch since they all should move up equally-

It is a bug man.

I think it is too, Lance.  But I have to add that Sonar never handled layers well imho.  It doesn't take much for them to get messy.   I only use them when I think it won't be a big deal -- otherwise I just create another track as opposed to a layer.

I know that doesn't help when "comping", but what can I say.   There are still bugs in there.

Yeah Ba I think your right - see bugs like this really bother me-
They say if it aint brokern, dont fix it lol-


Well how about, "if it is broke, fix it or remove the buggy option from the program". Less options is better than more of them with many options being so buggy-

I just shut down for the night (it's 2:50am in NYC, sigh) -- and was at X1B since about 5pm.   The good news is not one single crash (after I figured out the intial problem).   That's big news.   Most everything was working as I would expect.
 
The bad news is now that I'm digging in seriously, I'm finding things that really slow me down.   I posted a new thread about the "Solo" keybinding not working in one condition - and it's maddening to me.
 
There are some other things, but I'll go into details when I've had a chance to finish up some work.
 
Overall it was an ok night, but not a great night. 
  
As for layers, there are some things that go bonkers with them.  Easy to happen too.  So, as I said, I've been using them MUCH less in general.
 
 

I see what the problem is, you're not dancing in front of the computer in your video. 


But otherwise yeah, I see what you're saying.

Lanceindastudio


Thanx for bearing with me on this. Im glad you can see what Im talking about now! Your time is appreciated.

Sure man!!!!
 
But like I said, there's a workaround and it's not that big of a deal. Remember, when you drag multiple layers, by default Sonar stacks them when you're moving them (not a big deal), but unstacks them when you drop them at their destination.  Just make sure you drop them in empty layers and they'll be fine.  Also, the trickiest thing is that after you've selected multiple layers, wherever you click innitially to start dragging them, that's where Sonar automatically puts the first layer of the group.
 
It's really weird, but that's how it is.  So for example, if you have two highlighted layers (one below the next) once you click on the bottom one to begin dragging them, Sonar automatically puts the top one where you clicked, so if you where to not drag them and you just release where you clicked, the top one would end up stacked on top of the second layer. 
 
I know it's sounds confusing, and maybe I'm not explaining it clearly, but try it and you'll see.
 
Anyway, drag to empty layers and you'll be fine.
 
Now what really BUGS me is that you can't hide/show the layers you want.  For editing purposes this would be really helpful if you're editing linked clips inlayers across multiple tracks as in multi-track drums.

I agree, it's a bug, but at least there's a workaround. It's not cripling.  You can also drag the layers down one by one starting with the bottom one.  Not perfect, but you can achieve your final goal in the meantime until thry address it.
 
Please fill out a problem report.  I will also. They need to see that this is bothering more than one person.