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2011/04/02 18:17:09 (permalink)

limited use of X1b?

I've been a bit tenative about jumping into X1 or X1b only because of the posts regarding it interferring even with 8.5.3. But...I'd like to play with it (and Pro Channel) and was wondering if I didn't install either Dim Pro or use V-Vocal do you think I'd be facing some potential conflict between the old and the new versions? (I'm a full-time studio/live musician and don't want to stop the stable use of 8.5.3...it's a good backup plan). I'm still using the 32-bit ver., XP, Q9550, Jim Roseberry/Studio Cat unit).
 
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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 04:56:05 (permalink)
    Mike, I sit with the same dilemma. I run 8.5.3 PE on Win 7 32, and have all the X1 downloads, but frankly too scared to install it just yet. Perhaps the best is a separate C Drive with X1 on it (dual boot)?

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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 06:30:02 (permalink)
    I have 8.5.3 pro and X1b pro both 64 bits and have had zero problems with either.

    I believe that those that have had a problem with X1 interfering with 8xx is due to some problems with C++ libs being some how not right for one or the other in some installations. Those that have updated libs I think wont have any problems. I haven't.

    Also the install for X1 is much like all the past installs yet one needs to be mindful of the install dialog and select all the right things. In other words pay attention and don't just let the defaults go without you having looked at them and agree.

    The only problem I ran across was installing Dim Pro. That was due to having Dim Pro 1.2 and the brain dead installer wont install if that is there.

    There's a work around for that. It requires one to go into the registry and under Dim Pro insert the new serial number. Then it will install.

    I don't know if the above is a problem with 32 bit version though.

    X1 has not given me any trouble what so ever. Sonar 8.5.3 works just as it has always worked.

    I also believe it is useful to have 8XX on the system just so X1 can migrate over the settings from it. Saves a lot of time.

    BTW I installed the original X1 and did not have any trouble with it either. Went to the a patch and now the b patch.

    I have also installed the mods from Panup and Sonar plus from Ben. Both add a great deal to X1.  Panup for the aesthetics and Ben for function.



     

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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 07:47:34 (permalink)
    I said it before and I keep saying it.... Use a dual boot system!

    Really people - if you income depend on a good working system, never EVER install something you did not test thoroughly on a single system you are depending on. A good test phase and ironing out slight or big problems BEFORE installing on a "mission critical" system is something you just do without even thinking about something else. I also strongly advise to make regular backups (images) from the last known good test outcome.

    Having a "clean" install also has a few benefits:

    a. It rules out any strange side effects from software that was not even related with your music software.
    b. You can test out plug-ins an add-ons one by one, without a need to urge.
    c. If you break something it is far more easy to track it down to a single cause.

    And the last advise is... take your time. Don't try to rush or shorten the test phase. It does not matter if you use the software even a half year after it "hits the streets". If you do this with every new piece of software (like a real professional should do), you do not shorten the life cycle of the software. The useful period starts after the test phase - but that happens with ever new piece of software, so the result is a life cycle that stays the same (because the new version/upgrade has to be tested for the same period).

    I am talking about the "professional" approach here. This is what has become my second nature after working for a long time in a IT environment. If I ever should had the nerve to install a not fully tested AND approved application in a "mission critical" system, I would be shot at sight, bashed to bloody pulp, kicked around to every corner of the building, slaughtered and feed to the dogs, sliced in very fine parts - and probably fired...
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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 08:12:31 (permalink)
    Smaller shops don't have the personnel or the time to test software for 6 months.

    I agree, a testing period is mandatory. However, things fly around here (and other small studios) fast enough that a single month of testing usually has the guys grumbling to install the new system and get on with it by the end of the month.

    I've yet to be sorry about this policy after 16 years in business. If a piece of software is not ready for our shop we will know it within that month (usually a lot sooner!) and we will wait for the next patch and not replace the older version that has worked for us.

    We run things in parallel for the test month as religiously as we can as not to miss the real world aspects of testing, besides running older projects as well. This gets expensive and takes a lot of non-billable hours that I have to pay for, but I believe it is better than the alternative.

    And I think my approach is very professional.
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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 08:17:13 (permalink)
    Just installed it few dayz ago on 7 32 , no issue between both version ..i made a full back up before to be sure in case of trouble , i will be covered ...but a lot of friend are having the same set up 8.5+X1 with no issues due to the cohabitation

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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 09:29:07 (permalink)
    I also have both installed and no problems and I use Dim Prop everyday-every one of my projects has "at least" 1 dim pro instance, but usually more. I even have tried to recreate the crashes or whatever others are having with VVocal and could not do it.
    All is fine here and has been. I used and still do my previous install of Dim Pro-all I did was apply the 1.5 x64 vst update.

     
     
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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 09:48:21 (permalink)
    I didn't have any problem with Dimension Pro from the get go either. I just make sure and use the 64bit version. first with 1.2 then with 1.5. No problems with V-Vocal either . . .

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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 10:26:10 (permalink)
    I agree with the advice if you have a professional shop. There's certain prudent steps you need to take to insure your revenues and installing a new DAW on your professional system without a separate boot disk or other precaution is simply not wise.

    I'm just a hobbyist so I just install everything, everywhere. I can run X1 (a)(b) 64 bit, 8.53 64 bit, and 8.53 32 bit on my Win 64 bit system opened at the same time with no problems - really. I don't stress any of the programs and I STILL have no idea why some people's 8.53 stop working when installing X1 but no need to risk your profession while experimenting.

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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 10:34:49 (permalink)
    I think maybe they messed it up when choosing folders options where to install ...

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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 11:53:38 (permalink)
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    I think maybe they messed it up when choosing folders options where to install ...

    I have wondered this myself. The X1 Installation Read Me clearly states that you cannot install X1 in the same directory as a previous version and this can only happen if you change the default installation settings. They call this an upgrade, but it does not actually upgrade your old version - by default it installs as a new piece of software and keeps the old version in tact.
     
    I have actually see some users claim they installed it directly over top of 8.5 - then wonder why it was crashing.
     
    In fairness to many users here though, I don't believe that is always the problem. All Sonar versions also use a Shared Folder and X1 would overwrite some files in that folder. These are usually "soft synth / effect" related and should not break a previous installation, but in theory I guess it can.
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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 11:59:07 (permalink)
    I think you guys just hit the nail on the head. Forgive my euphemism. It felt appropriate. lol.

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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 12:00:15 (permalink)
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    I've been a bit tenative about jumping into X1 or X1b only because of the posts regarding it interferring even with 8.5.3. But...I'd like to play with it (and Pro Channel) and was wondering if I didn't install either Dim Pro or use V-Vocal do you think I'd be facing some potential conflict between the old and the new versions? (I'm a full-time studio/live musician and don't want to stop the stable use of 8.5.3...it's a good backup plan). I'm still using the 32-bit ver., XP, Q9550, Jim Roseberry/Studio Cat unit).
     
    Thanks,  Mike


    Hey Mike - I can understand coming to these forums to see what some users are experiencing, but I also see you are using a Studio Cat system. Why not give Jim a call and talk this over with him?

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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 12:16:12 (permalink)
    win xp 32b with 8.5.3 and X-1a sitting fine 1 os drive 1 data drive
    win7 32b X-1b sitting fine .. 1 os drive    1 data drive...drives are
    about 50.00 so 2 drives and a clean install, there should be no issues to speak of ..jon
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    Re:limited use of X1b? 2011/04/03 17:35:18 (permalink)
    Thank you all for your time and responses (very helpful and appreciated). I just took Codamedia's good advice and dropped Jim Roseberry a line just to get his take.
     
    Later,  Mike

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