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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 02:11:21
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The Grim
yes but is that honesty or just blowing smoke for effect? no offense intended, but it would be hard to see a person in your position, vice pres (or whatever) of the company that owns cakewalk, promoting the new better daw you found, wouldn't you be compromised by your position, you have a vested interest in cakewalk/sonar, i just can't see it. for my way of thinking, anything coming from an employee or spokesperson for a company must be viewed through that companies rose colored glasses so to speak, and anything along the lines of what you spoke of above, treated with a healthy dose of skepticism.
I said " years ago." I've been using SONAR since 2000. Gibson bought Cakewalk in 2013. You can do the math of how long I've used SONAR with zero constraints, real or imagined. I said the line about switching in a heartbeat not just once, but several times before 2013. I'd like to think it kept them on their toes  And note that several times, in this very forum, I have stated that I use Ableton Live for live performance and Studio One Pro for album assembly and DDP export. I've advised people to use Reason as an extended synth rack for SONAR. No one has been upset with me "promoting" them. I've also mentioned doing classical sessions in Pro Tools (although to be fair, I always took the wav files out and edited them in SONAR because PT was just too slow). My loyalties lie with the people who ultimately have paid my bills for decades...the people (that's you) who support what I do. Yes, I lost consulting gigs because I was not afraid to give a negative review for a product made by that company, or a positive review to a competitor. But in return, that kind of behavior got me more firmly entrenched with some companies because they realized that if I said I thought something was good, I really believed it was good and didn't say so to curry favor. You have to have your priorities straight. Gibson didn't hire me for my striking good looks LOL, but because Henry Juszkiewicz, the CEO, knew I didn't need the job and would always tell it like it is, without any concern about recriminations because they wouldn't matter. That has made me far more valuable to Gibson than if I just said "oh yes, of course" to everything. (And Cakewalk could tell you about times I've been pretty, uh, adamant about certain things.) In my own studio, I can use whatever I want. No one from the Gibson Police comes by and checks for "ideological purity." But if they did, they'd find me using a TASCAM interface, Les Paul monitors, KRK headphones, Gibson/Epiphone guitars (and a James Tyler Variax), and Neat microphones (unless I need a dynamic mic...they don't make any). This isn't because I have to. It's because they're really effing awesome. I don't mention that here because it isn't really appropriate, but now you know. Life is too short to use gear that inhibits my creativity, so I use what works best. I didn't like Gibson products because I joined Gibson. I joined Gibson because I like Gibson products. I often joke with people that one of the best things about joining Gibson is I didn't have to sell my Strats. Then again...I didn't/don't have any Strats Also to be fair, the odds of abandoning SONAR now are extremely remote because there are several elements in the program to which I contributed, no one else has, and are features I need. At this point SONAR is so far ahead of the pack in terms of doing what I need, it would take something truly extraordinary to convince me to switch.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 02:35:02
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yes i understand all that about your mentioning using other daws etc and that you may own and use other things than gibson brands, but mentioning and promoting are different things. like in the hypothetical world would you feel free to promote the new number 1 daw in your life as you have and do sonar, or would you be/feel restricted, compromised?
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 02:51:12
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If cakewalk makes the distinction of labelling some users as loyal users I guess it's up to them to define it.
I've owned every version of Sonars top release at any given time.
I reckon that makes me more loyal than someone who used Sonar 2, 6 and now Splat.
BTW I own Samplitude x2, SO3, Mixbus, PTHD12, and a range of semi Daws come audio/video editors
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 02:52:21
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Anderton
Also to be fair, the odds of abandoning SONAR now are extremely remote because there are several elements in the program to which I contributed, no one else has, and are features I need.
after noting that you may already be predisposed to the idea it is unlikely you would ever leave sonar due to various other reasons, do you think that if another daw actually did come along which you honestly thought was superior to sonar, that you would stay with sonar anyway, perhaps rationalizing it in some way in your mind due to your position within gibson and relationship with cakewalk?
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 03:05:21
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For me, I don't believe that loyalty is relevant, it's a matter of respect for a company and a product!
Not many products have the access ability that Cakewalk offers and because of that ability to speak freely about the products good or bad they at least hear and care about their creation with honor and pride!
And for me after a week dealing with horrible Dell sales and tech support, disgusting Customer service with a Bank and a nightmare with a well known social media site stealing from thousands of consumers and other unbelievable crap! I had a bad week! lol
CAKEWALK IS ON THE HIGH ROAD!!!
Thank you CW!
Hay look, Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 09:28:44
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stevec
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Great series, IMO.
best thing on telly since i can't remember
Yup.
More twisty and turny than an enormous twisty turny thing.
I wish I could forget it all so that I could watch it all again.
Ah, if only...
oh i remembered, "black mirror" competes for best telly evar, do check it out if you don' know it already
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 13:06:55
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pwalpwal
i see references to "loyal users" come up quite regularly, like today, and it's got me wondering: what's the difference between a "regular"/non-specific user (someone who uses the software) and a "loyal" user? what is it that makes a user "loyal"?
Assuming that there is an answer to this question beyond the purely subjective, what possible difference could it make to you or anyone else? Just curios:)
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 13:25:38
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pwalpwal
stevec
paulo
pwalpwal
BobF
Great series, IMO.
best thing on telly since i can't remember
Yup.
More twisty and turny than an enormous twisty turny thing.
I wish I could forget it all so that I could watch it all again.
Ah, if only...
oh i remembered, "black mirror" competes for best telly evar, do check it out if you don' know it already
Yeah, seen all of those....mostly pretty good, but a couple that were a bit meh really IMO.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 17:27:30
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The Grim
Anderton
Also to be fair, the odds of abandoning SONAR now are extremely remote because there are several elements in the program to which I contributed, no one else has, and are features I need.
after noting that you may already be predisposed to the idea it is unlikely you would ever leave sonar due to various other reasons, do you think that if another daw actually did come along which you honestly thought was superior to sonar, that you would stay with sonar anyway, perhaps rationalizing it in some way in your mind due to your position within gibson and relationship with cakewalk?
If a DAW came along that I honestly felt was better than SONAR, I'd just help put together a deal for Gibson to buy the company. Problem solved. That is not a flippant answer, Gibson already bought the company that makes the best DAW so there's a precedent.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 23:41:28
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☄ Helpfulby John 2017/04/01 17:18:56
What is it that makes a user loyal ? Commitment to oneself first . Then having a reasonable expectation of what they can and plan on accomplishing with the chosen tool / DAW they are using ... With out that all bets are off ... Why ? There happens to be a tremendous amount of personal energy and time that has to be invested in the first place . The Honeymoon phase of looking at the GUI while dreaming about all the nice Musical Places were gonna go to using this DAW is pretty short lived when you consider that sooner or later your gonna have to either take the red pill or the blue pill to be able to leave the comfort of the Matrix to see things for what they actually are  It can be a very shocking personal revelation to find out that on a core level "as much as one thinks they know" ... "they don't really know $hit " .. This is a Crossroads with many possible out comes .... Depending on the individuals capacity to be truthful to themselves they may only encounter only 2 " real categories " to confront ... One can accept that the DAW itself is not only a tool that not only does music , but it is also a Hidden Kingdom or Realm where the user can explore the vastness of ones own limitless creativity within the confines of working within the DAW ... What I find most interesting about this concept is , in truth the DAW as a tool itself is indeed also limitless .. The key to unlocking the full potential of the DAW does not lie within the DAW only . The Key to unlocking the DAW lie's within the users ability to see and fully understand that what they are doing while using the DAW is only a reflection of the skills they may or may not posses in the first place ... Speaking from personal experience , the truth of "that little nugget" can be somewhat of a shocking thing to become aware of in oneself ... If things "ain't happening" I can rent a canoe and go to Da Nile  or I can look at the reflection in the mirror ...  If I happen to be the "main person in charge " in my own private Kingdom of The DAW ...and if it turns out I'm not getting the results I had hoped for ... Then Who do I blame ? myself or the DAW ? IMHO , this is the stepping off point for many people ( myself included at times ) ... Without getting into a whole deep psychological mental rubiks cube of defining the whole who , what, when , and why of it all ...I will keep it simple ... The temptation to jump to a different DAW may indeed have an allure to it that may seen irresistible to a person who wants to keep it light and easy on themselves .... There are people out there that have no desire to swim the deep in of the pool ... I'm willing to bet that most of us here want to swim the deep end of the pool or else we wouldn't be here ..right ? So what would be a good answer on a personal level for me to define the whole What is it that makes a user loyal ? in a nut shell , Having the Absolute Freedom to go out and find out for myself what's out there in a DAW regardless of what I or another person thinks about what ever personal choices on a DAW I may or may not happen to make ... I firmly believe that no matter what DAW I use ....I'm still gonna hit the same old sticking point ..MYSELF ... FWIW , I happen to feel that awareness is actually a very good thing As far as all this chit chat goes I've already been down this Road w Samplitude , Logic , Cubase , Reaper , Acid Pro , and a half a dozen others ... I keep using SONAR the most , not because I'm Loyal .. I just happen to feel that SONAR has always been a very good place for me to Learn & Grow all the best, Kenny
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/26 00:31:45
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2017/03/26 18:27:49
kennywtelejazz
The key to unlocking the full potential of the DAW does not lie within the DAW only .
The Key to unlocking the DAW lie's within the users ability to see and fully understand that what they are doing while using the DAW is only a reflection of the skills they may or may not posses in the first place ...
[snip]
If I happen to be the "main person in charge " in my own private Kingdom of The DAW ...and if it turns out I'm not getting the results I had hoped for ...
Then Who do I blame ? myself or the DAW ?
Although your entire post is quite profound, IMHO the sections above apply universally to any DAW and all DAWs. The only thing I'd add is that some people have not yet found their "true love" when seeking a DAW, and I would encourage them to keep looking to find the DAW with which they "click." But if they keep finding that every DAW "doesn't to this" or "doesn't do that," then it doesn't matter which DAW they use because they can't provide what the DAW needs to do its work. Compared to the days of 2" tape, today's DAWs are so advanced and offer so much capability they provide an unbelievable "amplifier" to a person's talents. But if there's nothing to amplify...turning up the gain just produces noise.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/26 01:25:05
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Anderton
today's DAWs are so advanced and offer so much capability they provide an unbelievable "amplifier" to a person's talents. But if there's nothing to amplify...turning up the gain just produces noise.
Yup, exactly!!! 
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/26 01:26:10
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kennywtelejazz
What is it that makes a user loyal ?
Commitment to oneself first . Then having a reasonable expectation of what they can and plan on accomplishing with the chosen tool / DAW they are using ...
With out that all bets are off ...
Why ?
There happens to be a tremendous amount of personal energy and time that has to be invested in the first place .
The Honeymoon phase of looking at the GUI while dreaming about all the nice Musical Places were gonna go to using this DAW is pretty short lived when you consider that sooner or later your gonna have to either take the red pill or the blue pill to be able to leave the comfort of the Matrix to see things for what they actually are
It can be a very shocking personal revelation to find out that on a core level "as much as one thinks they know" ...
"they don't really know $hit " ..
This is a Crossroads with many possible out comes ....
Depending on the individuals capacity to be truthful to themselves they may only encounter only 2 " real categories " to confront ...
One can accept that the DAW itself is not only a tool that not only does music , but it is also a Hidden Kingdom or Realm where the user can explore the vastness of ones own limitless creativity within the confines of working within the DAW ...
What I find most interesting about this concept is , in truth the DAW as a tool itself is indeed also limitless ..
The key to unlocking the full potential of the DAW does not lie within the DAW only .
The Key to unlocking the DAW lie's within the users ability to see and fully understand that what they are doing while using the DAW is only a reflection of the skills they may or may not posses in the first place ...
Speaking from personal experience , the truth of "that little nugget" can be somewhat of a shocking thing to become aware of in oneself ...
If things "ain't happening" I can rent a canoe and go to Da Nile or I can look at the reflection in the mirror ...
If I happen to be the "main person in charge " in my own private Kingdom of The DAW ...and if it turns out I'm not getting the results I had hoped for ...
Then Who do I blame ? myself or the DAW ?
IMHO , this is the stepping off point for many people ( myself included at times ) ...
Without getting into a whole deep psychological mental rubiks cube of defining the whole who , what, when , and why of it all ...I will keep it simple ...
The temptation to jump to a different DAW may indeed have an allure to it that may seen irresistible to a person who wants to keep it light and easy on themselves ....
There are people out there that have no desire to swim the deep in of the pool ...
I'm willing to bet that most of us here want to swim the deep end of the pool or else we wouldn't be here ..right ?
So what would be a good answer on a personal level for me to define the whole
What is it that makes a user loyal ?
in a nut shell ,
Having the Absolute Freedom to go out and find out for myself what's out there in a DAW regardless of what I or another person thinks about what ever personal choices on a DAW I may or may not happen to make ...
I firmly believe that no matter what DAW I use ....I'm still gonna hit the same old sticking point ..MYSELF ...
FWIW , I happen to feel that awareness is actually a very good thing
As far as all this chit chat goes I've already been down this Road w Samplitude , Logic , Cubase , Reaper , Acid Pro , and a half a dozen others ...
I keep using SONAR the most , not because I'm Loyal ..
I just happen to feel that SONAR has always been a very good place for me to Learn & Grow
all the best,
Kenny
That there is some serious Kenny Zen!!!
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/26 02:41:15
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Well I clicked with Sonar when I first tried it out over 10 years ago and I've stuck with it ever since. Is that loyalty or just inertia? I have never been quick to jump on any new upgrade and I have skipped over a few versions, so maybe not so loyal. Who knows?
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/26 18:43:53
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Anderton
kennywtelejazz
The key to unlocking the full potential of the DAW does not lie within the DAW only .
The Key to unlocking the DAW lie's within the users ability to see and fully understand that what they are doing while using the DAW is only a reflection of the skills they may or may not posses in the first place ...
[snip]
If I happen to be the "main person in charge " in my own private Kingdom of The DAW ...and if it turns out I'm not getting the results I had hoped for ...
Then Who do I blame ? myself or the DAW ?
Although your entire post is quite profound, IMHO the sections above apply universally to any DAW and all DAWs.
The only thing I'd add is that some people have not yet found their "true love" when seeking a DAW, and I would encourage them to keep looking to find the DAW with which they "click." But if they keep finding that every DAW "doesn't to this" or "doesn't do that," then it doesn't matter which DAW they use because they can't provide what the DAW needs to do its work.
Compared to the days of 2" tape, today's DAWs are so advanced and offer so much capability they provide an unbelievable "amplifier" to a person's talents. But if there's nothing to amplify...turning up the gain just produces noise.
Sure , I happen to agree with you 100 % . I'm happy I was able to post something that you found value in abacab
That there is some serious Kenny Zen!!!
Hi abacab , Kenfucius say, There is no way I'm gonna re-quote myself w that monster sized post . I'm very glad you did enjoy it .... all the best, Kenny
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/28 20:42:07
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Hi Guys, I'm playing the bump card here & I need to go OT for a sec... A couple of days ago both Craig and abacab were kind enough to take the time to write up a few comments about something I had said in this thread At the time I wrote up a quick thank you response to each individual as my way of saying thank you . When I went back to edit a few spelling mistakes the forum software decided to trash my post ... I gave time time & waited about a day to see if my post was restored ..it wasn't . I contacted a forum Mod "Dave AKA bitfliipper" and asked him if he could look into restoring my post ... BTW, a quick thank you sent out to Dave Dave also hipped me to the fact that in the future when and if this happens again that it would be most helpful for me to add all the information that would make it much easier for him to track down the missing post ... The Thread Title and the forum section ....apparently I hadn't done that in the past sorry Dave Now why sit here and explain all this ? The World still would have went on . The Sun would have come up any way if my post was stuck in the trash .. The thing is , That's not the way I roll ...I was brought up with manners . I'm here to build a bridge not burn one ... Since I was brought up old school , when someone takes the time to respond in a personal manner to an Idea or a small seed of a concept that could be developed further and grow , I feel that it is my responsibility to honor the person and show them the full respect they deserve for having taken the time to investigate the idea and report the common ground where they have found value .... Had I not tried to follow through to restore my post ..even late ... I personally feel that if the post stayed in the trash it could have been considered a Snub to both Craig and abacab . FWIW , they may have not taken it that way because they are both great people ...but I myself don't want to put that type of energy of vibe out there by coming off passive aggressive ... Please accept my apologies for having to go here ... Kenny
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2017/04/01 16:05:03
Anyone who lived through the X1 rollout and is still using Sonar today, is a loyal user!
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2017/04/01 10:27:22
I look at it from a reverse perspective. Who is a developer loyal to its users? Cakewalk fits the bills.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/04/01 10:20:04
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millzy
Anyone who lived through the X1 rollout and is still using Sonar today, is a loyal user!
Haha that must have been in honour of me myself and I. Could be heard shouting from the rooftops during the early X1 days. Horrible horrible horrible. So much so that I was labelled a "pest" for my constant negative posts. Had to be loyal to get through that period of time even though I think I left every other day then returned the next.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/04/01 10:28:56
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I bypassed the X series entirely and went from Sonar 8 to Professional. Sounds like I'm more 'lucky' than 'loyal'
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/04/01 10:37:24
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Many companies expect loyal customers without providing loyal service. This has been the visionary failure of countless corporations. Cakewalk acts loyal for me since Sonar 7 and even longer for many others, I just wonna mirror that.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/04/01 16:04:46
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millzy
Anyone who lived through the X1 rollout and is still using Sonar today, is a loyal user!
Haha - that is so hilariously true Milzy:)
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/04/01 17:16:28
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pwalpwal
i see references to "loyal users" come up quite regularly, like today, and it's got me wondering: what's the difference between a "regular"/non-specific user (someone who uses the software) and a "loyal" user? what is it that makes a user "loyal"?
People who demand a response to their complaint use the word "loyal" to justify their rant. These people would be the pigs in Animal Farm. A good company responds to all users.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/04/02 18:50:06
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Anderton
Years ago, when Cakewalk thanked me for my support, I told them not to kid themselves...if I found something that met my needs better, I'd switch in a heartbeat - just liked I switched to SONAR from elsewhere. Yet I'm still using it. So I guess that makes me a loyal user with no loyalty.
I was going to write something along these lines but as usual somebody (and as almost-as-oten it was Craig) beat me to it. If Cakewalk really dropped the ball and stopped meeting my needs as well as it does (and I rather hope they don't!) and somebody else made an unequivocally better product for what I want/need/like to do, I would switch without thinking twice about loyalty. Does that make me a non-loyal user, or just pragmatic? On the other hand, since they have over the years done, with a few exceptions but overwhelmingly in general, done such a *good* job of keeping me happy and productive, I went and bought into the lifetime updates option - without, it must be said, much thought. So at this point CW would have to drop that ball pretty hard for me to fork out a bunch of cash for a competing product; at the very least I would express my dissatisfaction and give them a fair chance to pick it up again and return to form. Does this make me a loyal user, or just pragmatic? In fact it's hard for me to imagine this happening; even if the company simply folded tomorrow and announced they would no longer do anything at all in the way of support or development, I would certainly be disappointed but likely I would continue using Sonar for a while, as long as it worked, before feeling the need to dig into the wallet. (Well actually, I'd likely start digging into Live - for which I do have a license, though I don't do much with it truth be told - just to hedge my bets. I might also be somewhat more likely to update my license for Reason, which I have had lots of fun with in the past but who haven't given me a really compelling reason to stay current on for a few years now). I guess in the end I'm loyal-ish, in that I have over the years developed a degree of *trust* in CW - not that they don't ever screw up, but they seem to be generally trying and mostly succeeding in their mission to deliver quality products and innovate in the space they work in. I'm sure I could be just as happy with any of a number of other products if I happen to have chosen them years ago (I was once a Cubase user, I feel a certain punk affinity for Reaper, I get the idea Studio One is getting a lot of things right, I gather MixBus and Bitwig have their strong points, I know people who are happy and productive with Samplitude and FL and even - or obviously, depending on your point of view - Pro Tools)... but I chose Sonar, and CW have never given me a real reason to regret it, so for the moment she's still my main squeeze. On which note, I'd better get back to work!
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gerard st. pierre
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/04/04 01:23:40
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I dunno if I qualify.....but i think i am loyal....SO loyal (or 'old guy' lol) that until this year, I was still using Cakewalk 9 lol....Just made the jump to DAW and VST thingy ....but never considered the ebil empire ...also known as Cubase!
May the Cakeforce be with us!
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subtlearts
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/04/04 21:57:40
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gerard st. pierre
May the Cakeforce be with us!
;-)
The Cakeforce is strong with this one! Or maybe I'm just biased because you also have a cartoon tiger in your avatar. ;)
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