pwalpwal
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"loyal" user vs user
i see references to "loyal users" come up quite regularly, like today, and it's got me wondering: what's the difference between a "regular"/non-specific user (someone who uses the software) and a "loyal" user? what is it that makes a user "loyal"?
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 14:18:51
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☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/03/26 00:18:55
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 14:23:46
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i'm not sure i understand, but i like it
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 14:41:02
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i'm hoping someone who considers themselves a "loyal user" will chip in to explain the difference  what makes you "loyal"?
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 14:57:18
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I guess it is used with 2 a bit distinct meanings here: 1) someone who has used CW software for a while, so was not "changing the side" before. I have 2 observations for such "loyal" users: they normally say they are "loyal" right before they say they are leaving; the number of years they claim they are "loyal" is reverse proportional to the time they have (current) forum account... 2) someone who has continuously payed for CW software for a while. This category use the term to give some weight to following request(s). In both cases, since the majority of this forum members is... let say not kids... periods under 3-5 years are not sufficient for the "loyalty" Since CW account is bound to the forum account for quite some time already, there are less people which claim they are loyal "type 2". Because if someone has 1 month account it is too obvious person has not used the latest Sonar version more then a month 
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 15:31:49
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so 1 could be pirate but 2 is paid up?
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 15:51:10
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pwalpwal
so 1 could be pirate but 2 is paid up?
1 is populated by many different categories, from real Twelve Tone users up to ... 2 is more measured by own perception of amount of money invested
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 15:52:49
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I think the term "loyal user" is just an expression. Initially I would say it is someone that has used CW for a long time. I personally started with CW for DOS. I'm not sure that would make me loyal though as I was seduced once by "greener grass" across the street. However, I found it had just been painted! Perhaps my return makes me a reformed user? Love the Aeon Flux homage. :) 
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 15:53:14
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loy·al
ˈloi(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: loyal
giving or showing firm and constant support or allegiance to a person or institution.
In this case Cakewalk, and specifically SONAR.
It's not that hard to understand really. Only a given person can determine their own loyalty to anything, even though others will try to label them as loyal or disloyal -- which is the point where the problems usually begin I've noticed.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 15:54:00
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I say a loyal user is a Cakewalk Software user. Enough said. 
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 15:57:05
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DrLumen
I think the term "loyal user" is just an expression. Initially I would say it is someone that has used CW for a long time. I personally started with CW for DOS. I'm not sure that would make me loyal though as I was seduced once by "greener grass" across the street. However, I found it had just been painted!
Perhaps my return makes me a reformed user?
Love the Aeon Flux homage. :)
It's actually Walter/Heisenberg, Aeon works too
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 16:00:28
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azslow3
1 is populated by many different categories, from real Twelve Tone users up to ...
2 is more measured by own perception of amount of money invested
azlow3 nailed it. Group 1: True loyalist because they have realized that CW is the best place to be, and are willing to advise, nurture, push, and help define the direction of the software through interactions like this. Group 2: People who've bought the software, but will jump ship at the drop of a hat without ever finding out what the rest of us already know.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 16:07:57
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The differences can be time, dollars invested, the quality of the relationship with the supplier, inherent tolerance, etc.
IMO, a loyal user is one who has a net positive experience with whatever and is willing to cut the supplier a little slack when the inevitable rough patches happen. Maybe even help out to see them through.
The others will move to something else.
Nothing wrong with either. We're individuals. As such we each our own unique blend of values and motivations.
Speaking of motivation(s), I'm not sure what label gets applied to those that move on to a different tool, but hang around to stir the pot. This category varies from blatant to subtle, but is disrespectful in any form - IMO, of course.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 16:10:56
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Depends is the user or the marketing department using the phrase?
Marketing: A loyal user is one who upgrades fairly consistently (at least every 2 years).
User: A loyal user of Cakewalk is because they/I use their software (albeit 8.5 on WinXP) almost exclusively.
Both are correct in context.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 16:16:01
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What are we trying to micro analyze here ? 
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 16:17:22
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Wait a second, I think I figured it out...Anyone replying to this thread is a loyal Cakewalk user.
Did I win ?
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 16:24:20
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Honestly, some of us have been around for many years and simply don't beat our chests about it (Longer than even the company may acknowledge). I take great pleasure in using the software and constantly learning. Interestingly enough, I learn from those who have issues because often they are sometimes using the software in a different way from me. It kind of broadens my horizons.
Nevertheless, it really sounds more like the definition of "friends" and "fair weather friends". Bottomline: If you are a user, that is great. If not, that is your choice. I never begrudged anyone for driving a different brand car than I do. I just smiled to myself when I passed them on the highway. ;-)
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 16:29:46
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pwalpwal
i see references to "loyal users" come up quite regularly, like today, and it's got me wondering: what's the difference between a "regular"/non-specific user (someone who uses the software) and a "loyal" user? what is it that makes a user "loyal"?
As for myself. I've used Sonar virtually exclusively for over 15 years. Though I've messed around with other DAWs that other people own to have some broad knowledge of the market place. I know a top ProTools sales rep and was given the opportunity years back for a nicely discounted copy and told him I wasn't interested in switching, or even having it as another option. When I'm engaged in conversations about recording using a computer, Sonar is virtually always brought up and noted as the platform I use and am happy with it. If someone uses 6 different DAWs (clearly supporting the other companies financially), I wouldn't consider them as truly loyal to any one of them.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 16:33:08
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I don't know what a "loyal user" v a "user" is. If anything its a matter of perspective or point of view. I don't ever recall my saying I am a "loyal user", ever. Yet I have used Sonar from the time CW created the first Sonar. I also have upgraded each and every time there was an upgrade.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 16:36:36
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Marketing gimmick, one of many.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 17:21:36
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BobF
DrLumen
I think the term "loyal user" is just an expression. Initially I would say it is someone that has used CW for a long time. I personally started with CW for DOS. I'm not sure that would make me loyal though as I was seduced once by "greener grass" across the street. However, I found it had just been painted!
Perhaps my return makes me a reformed user?
Love the Aeon Flux homage. :)
It's actually Walter/Heisenberg, Aeon works too
I like that the writers took it to another level with the fly being the ghost or re-incarnate of Jane coming back to 'bug' Walter. :) But I digress...
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 17:22:26
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/03/26 01:22:44
As previously mentioned, the term loyal user usually shows up as a preface to a complaint or as push back to someone else' complaint.
"I'm a loyal user and I don't feel this is right"
"I've been a loyal user since the DOS days, but this ......."
I almost always find that when a somebody says loyal user, they're mad about something.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 17:56:22
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DrLumen
BobF
DrLumen
I think the term "loyal user" is just an expression. Initially I would say it is someone that has used CW for a long time. I personally started with CW for DOS. I'm not sure that would make me loyal though as I was seduced once by "greener grass" across the street. However, I found it had just been painted!
Perhaps my return makes me a reformed user?
Love the Aeon Flux homage. :)
It's actually Walter/Heisenberg, Aeon works too
I like that the writers took it to another level with the fly being the ghost or re-incarnate of Jane coming back to 'bug' Walter. :)
But I digress...
I recently binged BB for a second go around. The subtlety is awesome in places. Interestingly, I "liked" Walter less the second time. IMO, letting Jane die was a bit over the top for the Walter character at that point. He sure ended up being a cold bastard. Great series, IMO.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 17:59:58
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BobF
Great series, IMO.
best thing on telly since i can't remember
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/24 20:15:41
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BobF
Great series, IMO.
best thing on telly since i can't remember
Yup. More twisty and turny than an enormous twisty turny thing. I wish I could forget it all so that I could watch it all again.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 00:41:31
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paulo
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BobF
Great series, IMO.
best thing on telly since i can't remember
Yup.
More twisty and turny than an enormous twisty turny thing.
I wish I could forget it all so that I could watch it all again.
Ah, if only...
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 00:54:10
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Years ago, when Cakewalk thanked me for my support, I told them not to kid themselves...if I found something that met my needs better, I'd switch in a heartbeat - just liked I switched to SONAR from elsewhere. Yet I'm still using it. So I guess that makes me a loyal user with no loyalty.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 01:09:26
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yes but is that honesty or just blowing smoke for effect? no offense intended, but it would be hard to see a person in your position, vice pres (or whatever) of the company that owns cakewalk, promoting the new better daw you found, wouldn't you be compromised by your position, you have a vested interest in cakewalk/sonar, i just can't see it. for my way of thinking, anything coming from an employee or spokesperson for a company must be viewed through that companies rose colored glasses so to speak, and anything along the lines of what you spoke of above, treated with a healthy dose of skepticism .
i have owned cakewalk products since pro audio 9 through to lifetime platinum, switched a couple of times during that period, the last time being just over 2 years ago to studio one 3, where i still remain, i have no loyalty to any company or product, i find the notion of that to be ridiculous, i long for something better to come along because it's a win.
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 01:37:44
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paulo
More twisty and turny than an enormous twisty turny thing.
I wish I could forget it all so that I could watch it all again.
Oh yes - that would indeed be awesome! It's also completely on topic. BB's premise was built around the existence of countless loyal users. I predict it's discussion will be far and above the most useful thing to come out of this thread:)
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Re: "loyal" user vs user
2017/03/25 02:06:12
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I must fall in the most loyal user category since Cakewalk is the only DAW I have ever used, and despite the shiny things that other DAWs have to offer, I have never strayed away, because the job I need to get done can always get done in Sonar. Loyalty is about support, dedication and partnership . . . and is never short term, or money driven.
Guess that's what makes me an artist and not a businessman.
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