Thank you!!!!!!!

Kamikaze

michael diemer
 
Regarding staff view/notation: I use staff view heavily, and there is one thing that is a must for any such feature, whether an improved staff view or integration with another product: navigation and selection MUST allow for "infinite" scrolling and selecting in the vertical and horizontal planes. I tried Cubase, and was shocked to discover that I could only select notes in the bars showing in the current view. Unlike Sonar, once you get to the right edge, you stop. you cannot select notes or measures beyond that.

 
I haven't installed Overture yet to see how that scrolls, but I guessing they'd return to him if the deal he presented before was as well received by Cakewalk as he said. So I'd suspect it would run in similar ways, At least if overture does, voicing your opinion would be receiving a like minding reception from him.
 

I have Overture 5, and there is an option for 'Linear view', that has no page breaks and scrolls horizontally.  I can scroll and select anywhere across the score.  The cool thing about this is that you can split the screen (upper/lower) with a Piano Roll Editor.  Very much looks like Sonar in this mode.  But better! 
 
The Overture traditional horizontal and vertical views are paginated and a single selection appears to be limited to select within any single page, no scrolling across page borders. But you can do multiple selects across multiple pages with 'Ctrl-click' to achieve a complete selection.  Or just switch to 'Linear view'.
 
If Don and the Cakewalk devs already had a working plan to integrate this into Sonar, I would say go for it!
 
I also have Notion 6, and that is pretty slick for what it does, but the lack of a real MIDI editor built-in is a drawback.  It does export to MIDI, or transfer data to/from Studio One, but that is not the same as having an integrated notation view in your DAW.
 
Using Overture 5 is like having a standalone MIDI sequencer and editing tool, with an excellent notation program built-in!

jamesmckee
As a long time user of Sonar I am very pleased to see some company sees the value in this product. I stopped with Sonar X3 Producer as the subscription model did not sit well with me. I have had not one problem with X3 migrating to windows 10 and look forward to see what's next from Cakewalk and BandLab. Cheers to all!

And exactly what problem did you have with the fact you could buy an upgrade outright, in exactly the same way you could have done in the previous 20+ years?

RajahP
So when will the store be open again... And what will the 'upgrade' option to buy be like?

 
 
BandLab hasn't announced that yet. I suspect there are serious legal documents to get set correctly before they can. I also don't think the Cakewalk Store will actually open again, though I'm reading between the lines and not really anything concrete. I would expect the products to open in a new shop once all the work to update all of the trademark and registered names is done. I should note BandLab has not stated which of the products will still be products going forward, only that there is a flagship DAW that we will have the opportunity to cross-grade over to.
 
One thing made pretty clear in meng's posts is that the current users will be given this cross-grade option for no cost.
 

RajahP
Or did I miss something?

No, I don't think so. Except maybe the cross-grade offer.

SandlinJohn

RajahP
So when will the store be open again... And what will the 'upgrade' option to buy be like?

 
 
I also don't think the Cakewalk Store will actually open again, though I'm reading between the lines and not really anything concrete. I would expect the products to open in a new shop once all the work to update all of the trademark and registered names is done.

That's probably quite true, as the Cakewalk company does not exist anymore.  It's probably too soon to expect all the details on what Bandlab will offer. 
 
But before that could happen, at the very least I would expect to see:
 
1. New trademarks and brand names for any offered products.
 
2. A functional support structure for any legacy Cakewalk products sold through a new store.  I think anything offered for sale would be expected to have some customer and tech support.  That will probably have to be built up from a clean slate, based on what offerings are made.
 
We'll just have to wait and see.  No point in rushing things, especially considering what we have now still works (as is) as good as when Gibson owned it.  So there are really no downsides to the new ownership! 

Great to see that Cakewalk and Sonar will live on.
Thanks to BandLab for taking care of a great DAW software.
Hoping to learn soon more on what BandLab is up to in development, in update subscription, and a time line what will come up when (approximatively, of course).
Wishing you all success, and hoping the "bakers crew" will be on board again.

Let's make music!
 
Wooooooo ...

abacab

Kamikaze

michael diemer
 
Regarding staff view/notation: I use staff view heavily, and there is one thing that is a must for any such feature, whether an improved staff view or integration with another product: navigation and selection MUST allow for "infinite" scrolling and selecting in the vertical and horizontal planes. I tried Cubase, and was shocked to discover that I could only select notes in the bars showing in the current view. Unlike Sonar, once you get to the right edge, you stop. you cannot select notes or measures beyond that.

 
I haven't installed Overture yet to see how that scrolls, but I guessing they'd return to him if the deal he presented before was as well received by Cakewalk as he said. So I'd suspect it would run in similar ways, At least if overture does, voicing your opinion would be receiving a like minding reception from him.
 

I have Overture 5, and there is an option for 'Linear view', that has no page breaks and scrolls horizontally.  I can scroll and select anywhere across the score.  The cool thing about this is that you can split the screen (upper/lower) with a Piano Roll Editor.  Very much looks like Sonar in this mode.  But better! 
 
The Overture traditional horizontal and vertical views are paginated and a single selection appears to be limited to select within any single page, no scrolling across page borders. But you can do multiple selects across multiple pages with 'Ctrl-click' to achieve a complete selection.  Or just switch to 'Linear view'.
 
If Don and the Cakewalk devs already had a working plan to integrate this into Sonar, I would say go for it!
 
I also have Notion 6, and that is pretty slick for what it does, but the lack of a real MIDI editor built-in is a drawback.  It does export to MIDI, or transfer data to/from Studio One, but that is not the same as having an integrated notation view in your DAW.
 
Using Overture 5 is like having a standalone MIDI sequencer and editing tool, with an excellent notation program built-in!

Thanks for this info on Overture, abacab. The linear view sounds like it would work for me, as long as I can have any number of instruments on screen, can scroll horizontally the entire piece, as well as select horizontally as far as I need to.  From what you said it appears this is the case.

Karyn

RajahP
So when will the store be open again... And what will the 'upgrade' option to buy be like?
 
Or did I miss something?

You probably missed something.  Meng said in the OP that their intension is for all owners of Sonar (any version) to have a free of charge migration path to the new "Sonar by BandLab"  (or whatever it will be called).
I'm guessing the first version will be exactly the same as the current version but with all the branding and copyright notices, etc. changed, as that would be the most logical method for a seamless transition.

Than I take it that I will be able to upgrade my Sonar 8.5 producer to whatever the new version will be. This is great I was to get the latest version this past Christmas, and we all know what happened. So looks like I will still be able to get it at some point.
 

Gene Angel

Karyn

RajahP
So when will the store be open again... And what will the 'upgrade' option to buy be like?
 
Or did I miss something?

You probably missed something.  Meng said in the OP that their intension is for all owners of Sonar (any version) to have a free of charge migration path to the new "Sonar by BandLab"  (or whatever it will be called).
I'm guessing the first version will be exactly the same as the current version but with all the branding and copyright notices, etc. changed, as that would be the most logical method for a seamless transition.

Than I take it that I will be able to upgrade my Sonar 8.5 producer to whatever the new version will be. Is this correct?

None of us (including Hosts) know anything beyond what Meng has posted both here and in the BandLab blog.
He said the aim is for a free transition to the new version for all current Sonar owners of any version.
Read what you will into that, but try not to speculate too much until we know more.