BJZ
Michael,
 
Dead is dead. Cakewalk is dead. BandLab is the owner of the IP. BandLab did not take on the obligations of the company called Cakewalk. I only wish everyone could absorb and accept that simple fact. What anyone thinks BandLab should do is ludicrous, IMO. They will do what they see fit to meet their objectives. 
 
Jeez you guys are quibbling/quarrelling about a non-issue (specifically - lifetime updates). Go back and read the initial posts by Noel about lifetime updates. He said they would be honored (by Cakewalk) no matter if the name of the product were to change. Again "by Cakewalk". He did not add "by any company that happened to pick up the IP in the future".
 
Nobody owes a lifetime update customer anything because Cakewalk as we knew it is dead and gone (like poor old Otis). I live a stress free and non-argumentative life knowing that. I have my copy of (Lifetime) SONAR Platinum that will likely run just as it does now for at least 10 years. Since it does what I need it too I felt I got what I paid for.
 
I'll happily accept whatever BanLab freely offers me, since that offer was already extended, and I will happily choose to upgrade to whatever co$ted plan they offer if it suits my needs/wants down the line.
 
 
 

I'm actually agreeing with you, tripartite entity. In fact, I myself never did the lifetime thing (heck, I'm still stuck on 8.5). No bile here; I was just saying I understand those who continue to sting a bit from this, and that it's not their fault. Cakewalk should never have called it "lifetime updates." It was a setup from the get-go.

wolfchen
 
The centralized Command Center also no longer works.  That means that it's no longer easy and convenient to download and install all the various components.  No matter how many times I try, the Command Center no longer works.
 
If someone knows the solution to this problem, please make a posting sharing your wisdom...and send me your wisdom and solutions 

Not true!  Command Center still working just fine here, as are the servers.
 
Suggest you need to start your own thread seeking help with fixing your issue.

Toddskins

RTA
 
The dictionary definition of music is 'Rhythmic Noise', so however you get to the end result is valid.
Whatever works for you. The rest is subjective.

 
That is not the definition, and I groan over what dictionary you chose to nab that falsity from.  It's apparent that even dictionary companies are being politicized.

The true definition is: Music - Melody or harmony; any succession of sounds so modulated as to please the ear, or any combination of simultaneous sounds in accordance of harmony. An aesthetic art form of sound produced in a continuum of time consisting of 1) Beat, 2) Rhythm, 3) Melody, and 4) Harmony.
 
Such a shame that people now think noise is music!  It's not.
 
You might say, in a figure of speech, that some type of news is music to your ears, but that is just a figure of speech.  Unfortunately, unschooled people actually believe the brainwashing they have received, and are not able to call things as they are.  

Coo. You do have to be careful here, don't you ?
 
'Noise' (or 'sound') is anything that makes your ear drum vibrate. I think music does that, doesn't it ?
I made no distinction between 'pleasing noise' and any other type of noise as it wasn't relevant in that context.
I don't really believe that my innocent line will make anyone, including myself, believe that music is just 'noise'.
If I had those powers of persuasion I would have become a politician !
The key part of that was "Whatever works for you. The rest is subjective."
 
Although there is science involved, Music [capital 'M'] remains an art, not a science. 
I wasn't attempting to define music as simply noise, just paraphrasing in a light hearted way from part of the definition that you provide in great detail. Perhaps I should have said 'Rhythmic Sound' :-)
 
PS - Frank Zappa, probably my main musical influence by the way, once released an album called 'Make A Jazz Noise Here'. I am happy to be in the company of such 'unschooled people'.

BJZ
Michael,
 
Dead is dead. Cakewalk is dead. BandLab is the owner of the IP. BandLab did not take on the obligations of the company called Cakewalk. I only wish everyone could absorb and accept that simple fact. What anyone thinks BandLab should do is ludicrous, IMO. They will do what they see fit to meet their objectives. 
 
Jeez you guys are quibbling/quarrelling about a non-issue (specifically - lifetime updates). Go back and read the initial posts by Noel about lifetime updates. He said they would be honored (by Cakewalk) no matter if the name of the product were to change. Again "by Cakewalk". He did not add "by any company that happened to pick up the IP in the future".
 
Nobody owes a lifetime update customer anything because Cakewalk as we knew it is dead and gone (like poor old Otis). I live a stress free and non-argumentative life knowing that. I have my copy of (Lifetime) SONAR Platinum that will likely run just as it does now for at least 10 years. Since it does what I need it too I felt I got what I paid for.
 
I'll happily accept whatever BanLab freely offers me, since that offer was already extended, and I will happily choose to upgrade to whatever co$ted plan they offer if it suits my needs/wants down the line.
 

I really don't agree to this! It is true that Bandlab has no responsibility by law to fulfill lifetime. But on the other hand it is also true that if they do not consider the lifetime payment of a lot of Cakewalk customers, then they lose a considerable percentage of those users! IMHO it is anyway a delicate job to create a new Sonar with some sort of paradigm shift (cloud) without losing a lot of former users.

Toddskins
... Unfortunately, unschooled people actually believe the brainwashing they have received, ...

That sounds absurd, as nowadays most of the brainwashing is invented in universities! Then it is transferred to media and all kind of global organizations! Today "unschooled people" with a common sense are probably less endangered by brainwashing than those coming from universities!

 
...continues arguing about lifetime updates...

ch.huey
Earwax,
I have a very detailed response that answers your question that you put in bold and underline since it seems so important to you to find the answer to for some reason, as well as your other comments, that I tried to send you via PM. I'm not posting it here for the reasons stated before. PM me so I can respond with it, or open your PMs so I can send it to you, but I won't go into it in public as it doesn't contribute to the thread. 

No point. It was an inquiry now frozen in a different point in time. I’ve moved on. Additionally, anything I write here is completely public. I don’t do PMs.
 
Thanks anyway.
 

RTA
 
Coo. You do have to be careful here, don't you ?
 

Yes, unfortunately, in some instances you do. You made good points.
 

 

cparmerlee
I am probably stating the obvious when I say that the direction Bandlab is going blurs the definition of “just sit at home alone in your bedroom…

Yeah, I’d say you’re definitely stating the obvious…

cparmerlee
 
… as people all over the world can be doing exactly that while collaborating on a bigger project.  I have always seen music as something that draws people (musicians and audiences) together physically.  And I think physical connectedness remains a good thing.  But it isn't the only way.  There are many people I will never meet face to face and it is interesting to think I might collaborate with them on something in the future.

I completely and absolutely agree with you.

marled

abacab
When 'new Sonar' is released, that will probably generate a forum thread longer and more emotionally heated than this one.

I am convinced that if point 2 of Earwax (above) is realized, then the thread will not be so long and the emotions are probably not going so hot!
 

Well…we can dream …
 
Good thoughts guys!