• SONAR
  • Feature Requests + Improvements [New 29/3/2018] (p.62)
2018/08/27 13:44:08
ch.huey
Staff view. Please, staff view. I don't expect Sibelius level quality, but as much as I can appreciate PRV, it's not always the easiest if I'm trying to go fast on stuff I can't physically play in. Being able to enter the notes in staff, then go into PRV and humanize them is really important.
 
Even more important is being able to VIEW what I've programmed in accurately. Last time I checked, tuplets still don't go up past a triplet, no quintuplet, sextuplet, and certainly no way to specify, for instance, in 5/4 meter, that the last 3 beats are to be played as a tuplet of 4:3 (4 quarter notes in the space of a 3 quarter notes). Having to resort to 2/4 and 12/16 alternating to get this effect without bedlam in the staff view is annoying, as is manually programming it in through PRV. No real way to check if you screwed it up either if it won't display properly short of exporting it and loading the midi into something that will display it musically, even if not 4:3 but simply 4 over the notes would be a life saver. 
 
PLEASE put this high up on the list. I know not that many people use it but for those who do, it is a practical frustration when sketching something out as a demo, which is when staff view is very useful. Cakewalk has amazing MIDI abilities under the hood but they tend to remain under the hood in staff view, and even entering the notes is a pain sometimes, though I've seen improvement on that in new updates (!!!!).  
 
If I enter a quintuplet, or anything other than a triplet, it won't display in staff view, and I end up going into PRV, doing arithmetic about the number of ticks and aligning them, then switch to staff and it's gibberish. I end up using other programs to enter this kind of MIDI data at this point, which have their own frustrating limitations (I love that in Sonar I can have spaces autofilled and that CbB moved the note values seen in PRV to the staff view - this only makes me want some of the advanced features more!)
 
Making it easier so what you see in PRV looks like music in staff view is what I desperately want... Doing a simple quintuplet (just a /5\ instead of the normal /3\ for a whole note doesn't look good in staff, and is a little better but still inducing a migraine in PRV by trying to see the edges.
 

 
When it could look as nice and neat as this triplet:

 
The above triplet is nice, neat, and easily recognizable. I don't see why that can't be done with a 5, 7, or more complicated rhythms since it can be programmed in. I love that the notes have been put right next to view/tracks, so I'm very optimistic but still not having the ability for the program to recognize that a series of 5 notes consisting of 768 ticks in a bar with 3840 ticks is shown in a weird way, not the same as while a triplet, a series of notes consisting of 3 1280 ticks in a 3840 tick bar, is recognized so easily is frustrating since there are 4 over 3 substitutions, 2 over 5, etc, that can be played back perfectly but not displayed right. 
 
I'm not expecting this level of implemention: https://imgv2-2-f.scribda...25bb82/1534795873?v=1, but getting simple tuplets down of 5, 7 and 9 and other small changes so that what I enter in PRV that are exact lengths reflected back as something I recognize in staff view would make a big difference. Cakewalk's MIDI engine is powerful, which is why it's so crippling to have to run to another program to visually enter anything past a triplet quickly and see it displayed as intended. 
 
Cakewalk is not software for creating scores. I don't expect it to be, and I don't expect dynamics and techniques that live in the MIDI to be expressed via the staff view fully, but basic problems like not displaying what I showed above are less about music printing and more about the inability to view the same data in the program while working and see it displayed in a musical way, which interrupts workflow. If I had a request, it would be for these kind of improvements since I still use staff view quite often, especially while programming drums on demos or scratch tracks.
 
Other notation programs insist you fill in the rests before you move on which is time consuming, and I'd do much more work in Cakewalk that will eventually end up in Cakewalk because while I have more freedom to move notes without worrying about filling in the rests, I can't be sure what I entered is correct due to the staff view issues. 
 
And thank you again Meng for the outreach, I truly appreciate the invitation for requests and could not be happier with what has happened since Bandlab released Cakewalk by Bandlab!
2018/08/30 01:27:40
LittleStudios
From the Console View, it would be super convenient when it comes to deleting a send from a track if the option to delete the send wasn't at the very bottom of the list of available sends.  My list of available sends can be quite long and it can really feel like a chore to scroll to the bottom of the list just to click "Delete Send".  Maybe next to the Enable/Disable button on the send, add a "Delete" button (big red X). 
 
 
2018/08/30 10:53:11
Klaus
LittleStudios
From the Console View, it would be super convenient when it comes to deleting a send from a track if the option to delete the send wasn't at the very bottom of the list of available sends.  My list of available sends can be quite long and it can really feel like a chore to scroll to the bottom of the list just to click "Delete Send".  Maybe next to the Enable/Disable button on the send, add a "Delete" button (big red X). 

 
As a workaround you can do it a bit faster:

1. Open "Sends Menu"

2. Hover your mouse over the first entry at the top ("--- None ---") so it's highlighted

3. Press the "Up Arrow" on your keyboard (this highligths the last entry "Delete Send" even if it's not visible)

4. Press "Enter" to delete the Send
 
Best,
Klaus
2018/08/30 16:05:54
LittleStudios
Klaus
As a workaround you can do it a bit faster:

1. Open "Sends Menu"

2. Hover your mouse over the first entry at the top ("--- None ---") so it's highlighted

3. Press the "Up Arrow" on your keyboard (this highligths the last entry "Delete Send" even if it's not visible)

4. Press "Enter" to delete the Send
 
Best,
Klaus



Thanks, that's a great work around! I knew someone would know a quicker way. I still think this action could be made more efficient with fewer keystrokes or clicks.
2018/09/02 23:33:01
stickman393
MIDI Sends, please.
 
I'd like to be able to drive two VST (or hardware instruments) from a single MIDI track, preferably while playing my controller (i.e. input echo)
2018/09/03 15:06:20
jbagge
 
I like to save my projects as bundles, adding a way to set that as the default save option would be nice.
 
 
2018/09/03 16:28:31
richsorensen
Cakewalk would rule the world if it had a feature similar to this competitor

It is a way to control the interface from any remote device on the network.
Thank you for your time
Rich
2018/09/03 22:19:12
EddieLotter
stickman393
MIDI Sends, please.
I'd like to be able to drive two VST (or hardware instruments) from a single MIDI track, preferably while playing my controller (i.e. input echo)



Would you be interested in an interim solution?
I could write a plug-in that would allow you to do this now.
2018/09/03 22:23:47
stickman393
EddieLotter
stickman393
I'd like to be able to drive two VST (or hardware instruments) from a single MIDI track, preferably while playing my controller (i.e. input echo)

Would you be interested in an interim solution?
I could write a plug-in that would allow you to do this now.

 
Really? Cool!
 
It isn't an urgent request or anything, I just wanted to add my vote to what is surely an existing feature request. I'm sure I wouldn't be the only person interested in such a plugin. I didn't think of looking for existing plug-ins, as I assumed it wouldn't be possible without some plumbing changes on the DAW side, kind of like AUX tracks.
 
 
2018/09/06 16:20:59
seanmichaelrobinson
Okay, I don't know how much use V-Vocal gets with other people...but there's at least one fairly big functionality problem that seems like it could be easily solved. V-Vocal oftentimes fails to detect notes for data that is recorded at a low volume, that is, recorded at a level that you might record in a 24-bit session on a vocalist without any compression coming in. And yet I can "fool" V-Vocal into detecting notes for the same passage by "goosing" up the volume of the previously-undetectable passage by a few Db using a gain change and rendering it down. So it seems like it's an issue of some kind of detection threshold being applied under the hood of V-Vocal.
 
In fact, the problem is so bad that sometimes it'll stop recognizing a note at the end of a phrase. I.e. the singer is getting softer, and the note release/last pitched part of the note/tail of the note is undetectable, even though the previous section registers as a pitch. Very frustrating, and presumably would be an easy fix? Especially given that the rest of the V-Vocal functionality essentially works as advertised (besides some bizarre note detection misfires on some instruments).
 
Thanks!
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