2017/11/23 02:13:04
wmountney
Ron Kuper
Having lived in that code for 12 years, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that it *can* be open sourced. Have you tried to download or build Webkit or AOSP? Cakewalk's code is tiny compared to those monsters!



Ron!  Good to see you here again.   Somehow seeing you here posting regarding this situation makes me feel just an extra bit more hopeful that there ultimately will be some happy outcome to this situation, although you haven't been with Cakewalk for a number of years, and even if you still were, you would have no more control over the situation than anyone else who is there.  Still, the extra ray of hope feels good even if it's really coming from my own wishful thinking.
 
2017/11/23 02:25:19
wmountney
gprokap
Thinking about it Microsoft is the only hope.   Who else would buy a product that ONLY runs on Windows when so many music producers are still tied to Macs?



Although there could be some good points of Microsoft buying Cakewalk, the problem I see is that Microsoft traditionally doesn't know how to deal with a niche product -- and by niche in this case I mean the whole product category of professional audio and DAWs in general, not SONAR specifically.   They are used to having products that dominate their space, and when something doesn't do that they end up giving up on it -- like with their previous forays into business accounting software and personal financial management to try to complete with QuickBooks and Quicken.  They couldn't beat QuickBooks and Quicken, so they gave up.  Even the best selling DAW in the industry would probably not sell enough copies for Microsoft to be happy.
 
They could go the Garage Band route, and sell lots of copies of a lower end version, which would be OK as long as they still maintained a professional version of SONAR.  And if they were to just buy Cakewalk to tear the technology out of the code and use it in their own product, that wouldn't do us any good unless it was capable of opening or converting SONAR projects, which would also be possible since they'd have all the code for that too, and it would be a good idea to get an instant user base for their new product.
 
I think it's a long shot, but since Microsoft has previously announced their intention to create their own DAW, and since they have often used acquisitions as the base for new products, it's definitely a possibility.
2017/11/23 02:26:25
KODA JYNX
Makes me glad that I never upgraded from X1, and it is safely on a computer with very few hours on it, and it NEVER sees the Internet.....just so that I never had to worry about any "bugs" getting into it.
2017/11/23 02:49:43
cparmerlee
anxiousmofo
Gibson is fabulously inept.  I wouldn't be surprised if they barely shopped Cakewalk, or have been forced to hold the assets to pay off creditors for a pending bankruptcy.



I doubt that, just as I doubt that Roland was also inept.  The issue is that there are at least a dozen really strong DAWs at all price points, plus another dozen or more that are second tier products.  No matter how good SONAR was, it just couldn't get traction/mindshare.
 
A big reason for that is that much of the value proposition for DAW-based production is actually in the plug-ins, not in the basic DAW.  The Cakewalk plug-ins were pretty good - some very good.  But serious users migrated to companies like Waves, Izotope et al for their key plug-ins, making the DAW less of an issue.
2017/11/23 05:58:45
looneymusic
azslow3

For an obvious example, look in your Sonar folder... you will see iZotope_Radius library. Not only this library itself is not a property of CW, but any code which use it (so expose the API) can not be published.
 


That .dll is plugin related... Not "mission critical" to make or keep Sonar running. Simply remove + replace with a free or open source alternative... 
2017/11/23 06:10:53
Blanton
Lifetime Updates payed The creditors.Peace
2017/11/23 06:17:40
denverdrummer
The moment they announced #Sonar4Life, #Sonar4Mac, I knew it was over.  The whole thing just seemed desperate, and I had just updated to Platinum a few months earlier and they were already asking me for more money?  I knew the Mac version would never fly.  They lost market share with Windows users, how on earth were they going to gain Mac users?
2017/11/23 08:24:46
P-Theory
GjB
I hope I don't see a fat lady singing today.


Can’t you hear her? She’s wabbering at the top of her lungs 😂
2017/11/23 08:26:51
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She has already sung and is coming back for an encore for those who missed, but she has most certainly sung.
2017/11/23 09:20:06
mudgel
Matron Landslide
She has already sung and is coming back for an encore for those who missed, but she has most certainly sung.

Is that you Mike McCue? Oh! never mind. Just you seem very familiar.
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