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chuckebaby
good comment Rod.
My only hope is the code becomes open source. I hate thinking this is the end. I use Region Fx and drum replacer quite a bit.

Superior drummer 3 is your friend

Are you serious ?  What's that friendship going to cost ? 400 bucks.
 
Drum replacer was my friend for free.
 

Jeff Evans
Double click on a midi event. You will see it below in the lower pane. Select the events in question. Up at the top left of the lower pane is the letter Q. (next to the speaker icon) Click on that. A new panel drops down. The swing slider is now visible. You can set it to any value from 0 to 100%. Just set it for 52 or 53 % swing right there.

 
You're a lifesaver, that's great! As you know I'm VERY familiar with the Project functionality but not so much with Songs, so I'm on a crash course. So far most everything I've needed to learn about has been fairly painless. I figure I'll be as facile with S1 as SONAR in about six months.
 

The reality is in this program anyway there are lots of things that are not well documented either and I can certainly agree that could be better.

 
Yes, someone had mentioned in the forum about how S1's tempo track was so much worse than Sonar's and you might believe that if you only looked at the documentation. But I find it much better - for example, the way the timeline compresses or expands to reflect tempo changes, the ease of drawing linear changes, and the ability to edit non-consecutive timing changes.
 

The audio engine is truly gapless in this regard.  Sonar never quite made it in that department either. 

 
The gapless aspect is right up there with Ableton Live. The only way to get the audio engine in Live to quit is to drop your laptop on a concrete floor from 10 feet up.
 

Anderton
The gapless aspect is right up there with Ableton Live. The only way to get the audio engine in Live to quit is to drop your laptop on a concrete floor from 10 feet up.

You've tried? ;)
 
Yeah Sonar has always been somewhat easier to knock over than that, no matter what anybody says. 
 
As for me, I'm *still* on the fence about where I'm going to hang my (principal) hat... though I'm drifting in a Reaper-ish direction, I also started to get the gist of S1's strengths... I do like a clean and responsive interface!

Thanks Craig.  Always a pleasure to help.  I think if you don't select any midi events then that panel does not drop down.  A subtle thing but important.  I am also pretty sure you can quantise audio in the same manner with varying amounts of swing and getting closer to perfect grid timing etc..
 
GUI is personal taste.  Just because everyone says Sonar's GUI is the best does not mean it is so.  They are opinions only really.  Personally I really like the Studio One GUI.  You can change it a lot with the Appearance Options for sure.  It is uncluttered and somehow Studio One manages to pack in lots of features without tons of menus and a very uncluttered GUI at the same time.  There is a guy on the Presonus forum that has developed an amazing add-on program as well that enables huge amounts of control over the GUI as well.  It is free too.  (Much deeper than standard)  I have not had any trouble designing a colour scheme that suits me really well. 
 
There is also another guy who has developed a really excellent add-on that boosts midi capabilities too and a host of other things which I think includes an event list.  It is free as well.  Not endorsed outright by Presonus but still can be added in and it has proved to be very stable and reliable.
 
I think it is interesting that you have chosen Studio One as well.  Others may take note and could be more swayed in that direction.  It sounds like a logical choice for you because you already use it and have a relationship with Presonus as well.  I look forward to your tips and tricks and things as I hope you will get involved in our forum too.  I am sure you won't take long either getting to know it well.
 
There are tons of macros out there too which do multiple functions in one keystroke.  You can create them but many have been created already.  They are much easier to write and install compared the CAL scripts that Sonar used which I always found more difficult. 
 
 
 
 

Thanx everyone....interesting reading........its actually the sense of community in this forum that I would miss....its just awesome....and the layout of the forum is really good too

chuckebaby

pwalpwal
you need to try the demo versions to really get a feel for workflow, etc

There's some good advice
 
Ya im doing that right now with Audacity. Good software, good price.

Yeah but not so great with MIDI.  PS, not making a cheap shot.  I use Audacity all the time.  There is nothing better for certain tasks.

Anderton

Jeff Evans
 It still all comes down to your talent, experience and ability.  Any DAW will get you there if you have got all those things. 

Still, there are some things some programs do that others just don't do. For example try creating a loop library and export Acidized files in anything other than SONAR or Acid Pro, even though virtually all DAWs can read those files.

 
Believe it or not, PG Music's Band-in-a-Box and RealBand let's you highlight any audio and export as an Acidized wavefile.  There have been some significant changes and features added in the last few years.

I downloaded the Reaper demo last night. It found the main plugins I use from SONAR (mainly the Sonitus ones and LP EQ plugins) and they seemed to work OK.
 
The only issue I really found was the presets menu in Z3TA didn't seem to operate in quite the same way so not all of the presets would come up. That said I only played with that briefly and could easily be user error. 
 
So, if you're worried about your Plugins, Reaper may well work for you. It's not quite as intuitive as SONAR so definitely requires some learning but for the couple of hours I was using it, it did seem to run quickly and smoothly. 

Anderton

Jeff Evans
 It still all comes down to your talent, experience and ability.  Any DAW will get you there if you have got all those things. 

Still, there are some things some programs do that others just don't do. For example try creating a loop library and export Acidized files in anything other than SONAR or Acid Pro, even though virtually all DAWs can read those files. Try doing the same kind of Song/Project mastering linkage that S1 does in anything else, or Live's Session view / Arrangement view linkage. Try doing the 4-point broadcast editing that Sequoia does...or sharing work on film projects with anything other than Pro Tools...you get the idea. There are some features that are deal-breakers or deal-makers for people, and are unique to particular programs.
 
One reason I switched to SONAR was because I wrote a book on Mixing and Mastering with Cubase SX and the publisher wanted a follow-up. I said how about SONAR? They said great, but do the same page count, contents, cover the same topics, etc. When I submitted the manuscript they were upset because it was much shorter, like 25-30% fewer pages. "Didn't you hear what we said?" I couldn't figure out why there was the disparity until I compared the step-by-step instructions to do various things. By and large, SONAR took fewer clicks.
 
Of course times have changed since then, but nonetheless, one DOES need to consider workflow as it relates to the type of projects they do. The reason why I'm using S1 as SONAR's successor is because it is fast once you learn the shortcuts and such, however there are some things I can do only in SONAR. For example, is there any way to specify 52 or 53% swing in S1? I haven't found it, but it's something I use in just about everything MIDI-based.

After using Sonar for 25 years, I became so accustomed to my workflow, hotkeys, muscle memory, etc. that I really lost perspective on what else is out there.  I am now writing my first symphonic movement in Digital Performer (well, actually it's my 37th symphonic movement but the first being produced in DP).   There's no doubt that Sonar looks better, it has the most aesthetically pleasing and beautiful interface of any DAW.  But DP is very powerful and as the keystrokes sink into my muscle memory I am liking it more and more.  The MIDI functions are amazing, so are the search functions.  The navigation functions, though fairly complex, once learned are much more flexible than Sonar's, although do require a few more keystrokes.  And the staff view displays triplets!!!!  Hallelujah! 
 
If Cakewalk can manage to regroup and go back in business without Gibson, that would be fantastic, but by then my "second wife" and I might already have found bliss  ;>)
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 
 
 

JERRY 



After using Sonar for 25 years, I became so accustomed to my workflow, hotkeys, muscle memory, etc. that I really lost perspective on what else is out there.  I am now writing my first symphonic movement in Digital Performer (well, actually it's my 37th symphonic movement but the first being produced in DP).   There's no doubt that Sonar looks better, it has the most aesthetically pleasing and beautiful interface of any DAW.  But DP is very powerful and as the keystrokes sink into my muscle memory I am liking it more and more.  The MIDI functions are amazing, so are the search functions.  The navigation functions, though fairly complex, once learned are much more flexible than Sonar's, although do require a few more keystrokes.  And the staff view displays triplets!!!!  Hallelujah! 
 
If Cakewalk can manage to regroup and go back in business without Gibson, that would be fantastic, but by then my "second wife" and I might already have found bliss  ;>)
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 
 
 


FRANK'S QUERY
I am taking a look at DP9 now ....(thnx to reading your post Jerry...particularly Re: MIDI comment / impressions). I do a lot of Midi work ( Editing etc) for our live performances.
I notice that there is a sizeable crossgrade discount at the moment of the order 50% off.....till 21st Dec... so I need to evaluate in a timely fashion.
Question to you Jerry.............why did you pick DP and what is your knowledge of the company ? ( ie: Somewhat nervous about DAW companies at the moment.;) 
I will in the meantime check out the media about DP.
Cheers
Frank in OZ