Mystic38


Lets be honest here, things like this will be repeated many hundreds of times a year in the USA... its simply how it is and nobody really gives a crap... if they did, things would change.

The degree of civilised control, regulation and use of firearms is clearly listed here in the link...click on the "total firearm related death rate" to rank and see what countries are equivalent to the USA..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Colombia, Mexico, Swaziland, South Africa..... yup..thats where The USA ranks.

"Let's be honest," this kind of thing (i.e. children getting a hold of guns and shooting someone accidentally" doesn't happen "many hundreds of times a year." It probably happens about once a week, if that. Drink driving/reckless driving worries me far more. Here in New York, you can fly around an intersection at great speed without bothering to check who's crossing, kill someone, and the most serious charge the NYPD will come up with is "failure to yield." 


As for the rate of firearm death in the US, the figures are greatly skewed by the number of gun deaths that happen in large inner cities (with the nation's strictest gun laws) among thugs in street gangs. That culture is a whole problem in itself. Guns aren't to blame for young men who would actually kill each other over a parking space. 

IBTL!

Mesh

JClosed


I really cannot understand one single bit why people even want to have a murder machine like a gun. I am really glad living in the Netherlands, where giving a gun to someone is absolutely unthinkable, whatever the age a person has. Gun possession here strictly regulated, and you have to have to pass a formal exam (and have to possess a membership from a organization that has a safe room where you can shoot) to even touch a weapon. I guess 99.9% of the people here do not even want to touch a gun if they would get payed for it. They don't like it and they do not want it. Yeah -criminals and police have guns, but the "man in the street"? No way!

Although gun laws aren't what this post is about, your comment can be debated and possibly proven to be incorrect. In a simple Google search, I found the following:
 
Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).
 
For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland's murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns. 
 
Full article is found here: http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
 
 
 
The truly sad part is, too many irresponsible people have posession of guns.

That study concludes that violent societies are violent. It points out that historically violent societies have trended towards curtailing gun ownership as a matter of policy yet those societies have not actually seemed to curtail violence.


It theorizes that violence in society is triggered by conditions that are not associated with gun ownership.


It doesn't seem to speculate about how much more violent the societies that seem predisposed to be violent would be if the violent people had easier access to guns, but it does point out that violent people are resourceful and can be effectively violent without guns.


Here in the USA we are learning about violence in society and we haven't decided if we want to be violent society with guns or a violent society without guns.

We keep getting our asses handed to us by violent kooks who ave real easy access to guns. We don't think that our society is so violent that we are willing to take the guns away from the violent people.

So we have violence committed with guns.





Here is a real important question?



Do you think the 5 year old kid knew he was being "violent" when he pointed his rifle at his sister?

If you can't answer that question ask your self this, it's a simple question:

Why did the 5 year child point his rifle at his sister... and pull the trigger? Why?



In my opinion, it takes a violent society to inspire a kid to point a gun at someone. 

That is something that happens to kids in war zones.

A trailer park in Kentucky USA is NOT a war zone.

We need to stop teaching and entertaining everyone by observing and partaking in violence as a recreational pastime.





If we don't... we end up with a 5 year old child spending the rest of his life trying to figure out if he meant to kill his sister. 

We all know he squeezed that trigger and killed his sister yet no one will ever really understand why.

We do not have to understand violence to make good decisions about managing it.




best regards,
mike

sharke

Mystic38


Lets be honest here, things like this will be repeated many hundreds of times a year in the USA... its simply how it is and nobody really gives a crap... if they did, things would change.

The degree of civilised control, regulation and use of firearms is clearly listed here in the link...click on the "total firearm related death rate" to rank and see what countries are equivalent to the USA..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Colombia, Mexico, Swaziland, South Africa..... yup..thats where The USA ranks.

"Let's be honest," this kind of thing (i.e. children getting a hold of guns and shooting someone accidentally" doesn't happen "many hundreds of times a year." It probably happens about once a week, if that. Drink driving/reckless driving worries me far more. Here in New York, you can fly around an intersection at great speed without bothering to check who's crossing, kill someone, and the most serious charge the NYPD will come up with is "failure to yield." 


As for the rate of firearm death in the US, the figures are greatly skewed by the number of gun deaths that happen in large inner cities (with the nation's strictest gun laws) among thugs in street gangs. That culture is a whole problem in itself. Guns aren't to blame for young men who would actually kill each other over a parking space. 

23,000 accidental shootings per year in the USA and over 600 accidental deaths is being honest. Thinking that these numbers dont exist, however, is not. It is simply a smoke and mirrors denial mentality that believes that the numbers are skewed any more than any other country's data. The facts are that. Facts.
 
 
 
 

Mystic38

sharke

Mystic38


Lets be honest here, things like this will be repeated many hundreds of times a year in the USA... its simply how it is and nobody really gives a crap... if they did, things would change.

The degree of civilised control, regulation and use of firearms is clearly listed here in the link...click on the "total firearm related death rate" to rank and see what countries are equivalent to the USA..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Colombia, Mexico, Swaziland, South Africa..... yup..thats where The USA ranks.

"Let's be honest," this kind of thing (i.e. children getting a hold of guns and shooting someone accidentally" doesn't happen "many hundreds of times a year." It probably happens about once a week, if that. Drink driving/reckless driving worries me far more. Here in New York, you can fly around an intersection at great speed without bothering to check who's crossing, kill someone, and the most serious charge the NYPD will come up with is "failure to yield." 


As for the rate of firearm death in the US, the figures are greatly skewed by the number of gun deaths that happen in large inner cities (with the nation's strictest gun laws) among thugs in street gangs. That culture is a whole problem in itself. Guns aren't to blame for young men who would actually kill each other over a parking space. 

23,000 accidental shootings per year in the USA and over 600 accidental deaths is being honest. Thinking that these numbers dont exist, however, is not. It is simply a smoke and mirrors denial mentality that believes that the numbers are skewed any more than any other country's data. The facts are that. Facts.
 
 
 

To be fair, I thought you were talking about cases of kids getting hold of guns and accidentally shooting someone. But on a wider note, yes guns are dangerous and people have accidents with them. The same could be said of cars, fire etc. In 2010 there were over 33,000 unintentional poisoning deaths, over 26,000 unintentional fall deaths, over 400 boating deaths etc etc.....not to mention the over 80,000 deaths attributed to alcohol each year.   

That study concludes that violent societies are violent
 
　
I'm going to have to write that one down.
 
I wonder if the study also concludes that nonviolent societies are nonviolent

tom1


That study concludes that violent societies are violent
 
　
I'm going to have to write that one down.
 
I wonder if the study also concludes that nonviolent societies are nonviolent

No, they're violent too...

joakes


Wow, unreal. Luckily, this could not happen in Europe.

Take that kind of political bating where it belongs.  Gun violence happens in Europe.  Gun accidents happen in Europe.  Sure the rate of that type of stuff may be, "higher in the USA."  Regardless, this could definitely happen in Europe.

  Seriously, do you consider the history of Europe to be awash in peace and love?  I happen to know that same type of idiocy exists in Kvr's Hyde Park Corner, is that where you took European History 101? 


Here's a suggestion: go soul searching; try to figure out your need to take a tragic accident, and make it some sort of political power play; taking a dig at those of us in the USA; pretending like your snot don't stink.

Tom and Jerry have a lot to answer for. 

Even though I keep my snot up my nose I wasn't aware it had a fragrance- so my snot personally does not stink (to me, in my opinion)