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Jonbouy,

you know what Karl Marx's mum said.  She wished her boy would write less about  Kapital and earn more.  Mothers, never satisified.  ;-)

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Karl?
 
Was he the one with the quick mouth, moustache and big cigar?
 
Well his mum must have been proud of her boys in the end, they had a good career in the movies.

No, the quiet one.  Mum was quite proud of him.

Jonbouy

sharke


I think your posts speak for themselves Jonbouy. 

Well just have a look at your last one for some real good irony...
 
I'm saying nuthin', I'll just let you carry on shooting holes in your ceiling there, it's more fun.
 
Actually the media coverage here has been very dignified in contrast to the impression you are spilling out there.  The amount of gloating has been minimal even from those who had tangible greivances like those who lost children in her single-minded quest for personal glory in an adventure to preserve the soveriegnty of many less folk than perished in a conflict that was caused by the British governments complacency and forgetting to check they had left the back door unlocked so anyone could have walked in. 
 
Some figured it would take a lunatic to attempt to take those islands back after troops walked in that open back door.  They were probably right.  She made many mistakes that have become clear over the course of history, seeing Mandela as a terrorist notably being one, and rightly some don't have a rose-tinted view.  She'd have gained a lot more universal respect had she been less reluctant for turning.  She may well have ended up being truly great in the same way as Mr Mandela's eventual passing will undoubtedly be percieved by a large majority.
 
She cut a very sad figure ultimately, dumped and further sidelined by her own party over time, and I can't think of anyone I know that would delight in that or attempt to make any mileage out of it.
 
So I will re-iterate with full sincerity.
RIP Margaret.

There was no irony in my post at all. I'm simply pointing out a fact: that a sizable faction of the left celebrated the bejesus out of Margaret Thatcher's death today. And yes I know, the lines between right and left blah blah blah and we shouldn't generalize blah blah. But let's face it. You'd be pretty damn desperate to deny that the "Maggie was an evil fascist" camp was anything other than left wing. Again, just stating a fact. 


Here was the scene in London today: 









Notice the Socialist Worker logo...that paper beloved by many teachers, union members etc....again a sizable faction of the left. 


There were similar scenes across the country. There are street parties being held in Brixton and Scotland. 


Derek Hopper, General Secretary of the Durham Miner's association, called it a "great day for miners" and the "one of the best birthdays I have ever had." 


There were jubilant cheers in the audience at the NUS conference today, when her death was announced. 


George Galloway, the Labour MP, tweeted "Tramp the dirt down" not long after the announcement. 



This cartoon was on The Guardian today: 






I could go on and on and on. 


At best, the liberal media's response has been "RIP Thatcher...but let's not forget what an evil woman she was...."


You do her a disservice by claiming the Falklands war was about "preserving sovereignty." It wasn't. Nor was it, as often claimed on the left, to "boost her popularity." It was to save the British citizens of the Falkland Islands the subjugation to an aggressive, invading force. The Galteiri Junta was repulsive, cruel and inhumane. They tortured and killed 30,000 of their own citizens, including women who were raped and tortured at the Navy Petty-Officers School Of Mechanics. People were flown above the South Atlantic and thrown out of airplanes thousands of feet high into the sea. This is the reality of the regime that the people of the Falklands woke up to on a morning in May 1982. If Thatcher had abandoned these people to that regime, no doubt the left would have bleated about that for 30 years as well. I believe that one of her biggest crimes to the left, and one they never forgave her for, was having the audacity to become the first female leader of the UK and not on their side. The left was understandably livid about this, the same way the left in America would foam at the mouth if Sarah Palin ever became the first female President. 

Ashes to ashes, rust to rust?
 
Or, are they going to bury her, creamate her or oxidize her?

Lately I have been surprised by reading the recent obituaries of persons I had thought had died long ago. 

Maggie was still alive yesterday? 

Who would have guessed?

As Jon has said, the media has been amazingly respectful, the hotbed of pinky leftism the BBC has eulogised her about the same as they did the Queen Mother;

 Thatcher was someone of great standing, especially outside the UK, and she played a notable part in helping the Eastern bloc countries achieve independence; she also signed the Anglo-Irish agreement which helped pave the way for peace (though later said she regretted it and woujld have changed her mind if possible); and undoubtedly the unions here had too much power and political influence and needed some taming.
unfortunately she also supported apartheid and Pinochet; took her dislike of trade unionism to dictator-like ends by utterly decimating heavy industries in this country; laid the foundations for the current economic crisis by selling off council houses, not letting councils use the proceeds to build more, and altering how banks and building societies offered mortgages; presided over the largest increase in wealth inequality seen in any country ever during the 80s; flogged off our national assets to private companies which means now billions of pounds of revenue leaves the Treasury and lines the pockets of shareholders; laid the foundations for the piecemeal break-up of the NHS; and most importantly, and most difficult to express, created an atmosphere of individualism and personal gain which has severely fragmented society in this country.


if I tell you that another forum i go on frequently has a thread called 'Ding dong, the witch is dead', you can see that here is an oasis of calm and respectfulness!

slartabartfast


Lately I have been surprised by reading the recent obituaries of persons I had thought had died long ago. 

Maggie was still alive yesterday? 

Who would have guessed?

On a related note, Keith Richards still thinks he's alive.

sharke

Jonbouy

sharke


I think your posts speak for themselves Jonbouy. 

Well just have a look at your last one for some real good irony...

I'm saying nuthin', I'll just let you carry on shooting holes in your ceiling there, it's more fun.

Actually the media coverage here has been very dignified in contrast to the impression you are spilling out there.  The amount of gloating has been minimal even from those who had tangible greivances like those who lost children in her single-minded quest for personal glory in an adventure to preserve the soveriegnty of many less folk than perished in a conflict that was caused by the British governments complacency and forgetting to check they had left the back door unlocked so anyone could have walked in. 

Some figured it would take a lunatic to attempt to take those islands back after troops walked in that open back door.  They were probably right.  She made many mistakes that have become clear over the course of history, seeing Mandela as a terrorist notably being one, and rightly some don't have a rose-tinted view.  She'd have gained a lot more universal respect had she been less reluctant for turning.  She may well have ended up being truly great in the same way as Mr Mandela's eventual passing will undoubtedly be percieved by a large majority.

She cut a very sad figure ultimately, dumped and further sidelined by her own party over time, and I can't think of anyone I know that would delight in that or attempt to make any mileage out of it.

So I will re-iterate with full sincerity.
RIP Margaret.

There was no irony in my post at all. I'm simply pointing out a fact: that a sizable faction of the left celebrated the bejesus out of Margaret Thatcher's death today. And yes I know, the lines between right and left blah blah blah and we shouldn't generalize blah blah. But let's face it. You'd be pretty damn desperate to deny that the "Maggie was an evil fascist" camp was anything other than left wing. Again, just stating a fact. 


Here was the scene in London today: 









Notice the Socialist Worker logo...that paper beloved by many teachers, union members etc....again a sizable faction of the left. 


There were similar scenes across the country. There are street parties being held in Brixton and Scotland. 


Derek Hopper, General Secretary of the Durham Miner's association, called it a "great day for miners" and the "one of the best birthdays I have ever had." 


There were jubilant cheers in the audience at the NUS conference today, when her death was announced. 


George Galloway, the Labour MP, tweeted "Tramp the dirt down" not long after the announcement. 



This cartoon was on The Guardian today: 






I could go on and on and on. 


At best, the liberal media's response has been "RIP Thatcher...but let's not forget what an evil woman she was...."


You do her a disservice by claiming the Falklands war was about "preserving sovereignty." It wasn't. Nor was it, as often claimed on the left, to "boost her popularity." It was to save the British citizens of the Falkland Islands the subjugation to an aggressive, invading force. The Galteiri Junta was repulsive, cruel and inhumane. They tortured and killed 30,000 of their own citizens, including women who were raped and tortured at the Navy Petty-Officers School Of Mechanics. People were flown above the South Atlantic and thrown out of airplanes thousands of feet high into the sea. This is the reality of the regime that the people of the Falklands woke up to on a morning in May 1982. If Thatcher had abandoned these people to that regime, no doubt the left would have bleated about that for 30 years as well. I believe that one of her biggest crimes to the left, and one they never forgave her for, was having the audacity to become the first female leader of the UK and not on their side. The left was understandably livid about this, the same way the left in America would foam at the mouth if Sarah Palin ever became the first female President. 

Sharke, stuff like this really lowers the tone around here. Get a soap box.

and that Steve Bell cartoon is funny! this is the painting it's based on:

mgh

 created an atmosphere of individualism 

Precisely where I think the women went too far.