I'm almost at a lost for words here... 

Clifford, I am glad to hear you're enjoying your DAW as much as I am mine. I'm also surprised that you even mention my contributions. Perhaps you haven't received the memo (inside joke for those in the know), perhaps you have, but it's still nice to hear. And I was never mad about it but you're right in stating that I did and still do understand why Jim and Scott are protective of their system configurations which was attained through much hard work and expense. I believe that they are entitled to reap the benefits, really I do. And to return the compliment, I believe that it's through our exchanges that you (or maybe even Scott, I don't quite remember) made me discover the Noctua product which ended up being a great solution for my 3u rackmount DAW. Thank you for that (both of you).

I still believe that Scott and me can get along even though we have had a few "back and forth" on some very specific issues. What Scott needs to realize is that I am not putting his competence in question when I disagree with him, and on the other hand I also expect some measure of civility during those exchanges. Anyways, it's water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned and I certainly don't hold a grudge. There's no reason for it. And for what it's worth, when Scott or Jim participates in a thread, I pay attention, even though I'm not in the market for a new DAW (not for a very long time hopefully).

So thanks again for putting things in perspective Clifford and speaking your mind from the heart. That's pretty darn cool!

jc



Addition :: TGIF and beers are on me tonight! 

JC

Your wlecome Brother......I would like to believe that I only spoke the truth

I want you to know that I appreciated all the time and effort you gave me......I respect your knowledge and that I truely felt bad about having to say it was up to Jim to answer the questions he gave me advice on.....I know that you understand that trust factor......

But I was always more than happy to share what little bit I do know....

So I am very happy we are good!

Thanks
Clifford

Based on this thread alone I've decided to check out Jim's site....I might just buy an hr too? I think it will be money well spent on my fresh computer!!  Thanks guys

DaddyV


Based on this thread alone I've decided to check out Jim's site....I might just buy an hr too? I think it will be money well spent on my fresh computer!!  Thanks guys

You won't regret it 


I'll be honest; in the past 4 yrs or so since I've been on these forums Jim Roseberry offers top-notch advise and in all that time I had only one disagreement with him but to be fair it was due to a misunderstanding; kinda sorta like doing brain surgery over the net if ya' know what mean lol!   Anyway.... Thanks Jim 


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Thanks to all who contribute on this board. I hope goddard is just ignorant of the fact that advice on these boards regarding what works and what doesn't is completely limited by the "experience" the advisor has with the multiple variables involved in a PC build and the myriad of permutations that they present. Therefore unless you happen to get a person that advises you and has the EXACT same spec as you including sound card, video, memory, Mobo, CPU, as well as DSP cards as well as the various software, you are getting advice that has pretty dubious value. When Jim or Scott chime in to caution you about something you are planning ... they are doing you a huge favor! They have experience with most of these variables. The fact that they don't freely hand over the punchline which they invested heavily in time and money to determine and define, should not be a surprise. So you have choices. Either ignore their warning and take your chance they are wrong and the other advisers on the forum are right, or you listen to them and avoid the configuration they warn against. Then you can either spend hours or days grinding thru the various forums cobbling together a strategy using advice gleaned from many many sources, or you can fork over the consulting fee to Jim, or you can just buy a box from one of these guys. The choice is yours, but to denigrate Jim for offering a warning without giving away the answer is just unfair (and if you already know everything I wrote, then that reaction is just obnoxious). I only write this because I would hate to see these guys stop participating because they get tired of this unwarranted criticism.

i have come close to stopping my posts a few times..
fortunately there are far more positives than negatives

jcschild




i have come close to stopping my posts a few times..
fortunately there are far more positives than negatives

 
I get like that sometimes, then I think how else could I so effectively annoy those that rather I didn't post and carry on...

I have to say as well in defence of Goddard, if I ever needed to solder 4Mb of the good stuff and correctly configure the jumpers on a 386 board sometime in the future he'd be the first person I'd turn to.
 
Everyone here has their own individual strengths, that's what makes it a thriving community.

Jim Roseberry

My participation in Cakewalk forums goes back 15+ years. 

I wound up "In the business" because I was spending many hours a day making recommendations/etc. 

We live in a world where folks have to make a living.  I'm no different in that regard. 

I could be wrong, but I doubt my friend Goddard works for free.

Ah, but where we differ is that I don't participate here with commerce in mind, whereas you seem to treat this forum as the waiting room for your paid consulting service. Yeah, you've been here long enough to hone your approach to luring the prospects into a fine art, waiting for someone to ask a question and then dangling just enough of an answer to hook the fish without really giving away the bait. Hi fish, wanna know more from the guru, just click on the link dangling right here below my nonspecific half-answer...

In this case, a client contacted us to solve a specific issue. 
We solved said issue... and the client was happy and mentioned it publicly.

Uh huh. When exactly was that, back in February, when Millzy had asked you for info here and you sent him a PM? Or was that only when he contacted you last month?

That knowledge came from many hours of experience. 

I make my living via that knowledge/experience. 
Nothing more... nothing less 

I'm not knocking you for making money from your knowledge. Really. I hope your consulting biz prospers. My problem is when you try to restrict the free flow of info here. I mean, I would hate to think that you participate here just to give nonspecific answers in the hope  of getting a paid consult, rather than in the spirit of sharing info. 

Jim Roseberry

If a forum member contacts me, it's their choice to do so...
If a forum member posts something positive, it's their choice to do so...
If a forum member doesn't like me... what I say... etc, they can choose to use the "block" feature... or simply ignore me.  It's all too simple.

If your goal was truly altruistic, why aren't you concerned with the bottom line?
Peer-to-peer didn't yield the answer Millzy needed.  That's why he chose to contact me.
Millzy got the help he wanted... and he's happy with the result.
There's nothing more to it... so keep grinding that ax

Look, I honestly didn't come in here to pee on your parade. My post was directed to miilzy, not to you. But you jumped in claiming "confidentiality" after I'd chided millzy, and now you accuse me of having an axe to grind, so let's just see now...

Millzy had posted here back in February proposing a Z68/i7 build and seeking info about using a Layla 3G with a recent solid build:


http://forum.cakewalk.com...45&mpage=1#2501945


To which you responded, without really giving any specific info, and Scott also responded, recommending to buy a new interface.  After which Millzy asked you a follow-up question about your reply and explained he couldn't afford a new interface, to which you responded with a PM. 

So, is that what you mean when you say that peer-to-peer didn't yield the answer Millzy needed? 

I only ask because just last month there was Millzy absolutely recommending to someone else who had asked here about using their Layla 3G in a proposed new system to spend some money for a consultation with you...


http://forum.cakewalk.com...06&mpage=1#2686460

just minutes before Millzy started a new topic here seeking assistance with latency with his new system and interface

http://forum.cakewalk.com...75&mpage=1#2686475

So, I'd wondered whether Millzy had actually even gotten a paid consultation from you, since it seemed incongrous. Especially when Millzy posted above in this topic more than a week later saying he just gotten a paid consultation from you the day before. Hence the chiding.

FWIW, millzy sought and got assistance here, maybe not from you, but given freely by others. And your charging for your "confidential" off-forum consultations does not empower you to restrict or restrain the free exchange of information here. Got it?

Jim Roseberry
I'm under no obligation to educate you about the finer points of configuring a DAW. 
Got it? 

I hardly think there's anything you could teach me, not even how to lure people to your paid consulting service. And anyway, unlike you I'm not here to get business, just to repay those who the in past freely shared their knowledge with me, by passing along the favor.

But if we are all coming here to participate in this peer-to-peer forum then let's be mindful of the TOS, to wit:

"In this peer-to-peer environment, forum users are encouraged to answer questions, share experiences and give advice to their fellow users."

I go back long enough to know you weren't always so profit-oriented and used to give freely of your expertise. But frankly, it's disappointing to see what's going on around here nowadays.

jschild 
"""And your charging for your "confidential" off-forum consultations does not empower you to restrict or restrain the free exchange of information here. Got it?  """"  MY butt it dont.. this is the biggest reason why i dont do what Jim does generally (consulting as i wont reveal a few things) we do paid support for non exisiting clients however.  and IF i did (and have) i would fully expect the client to honor thier word and not disclose what was told them  of course according to you and Al no tweaks are required and Jim and i sell snake oil anyway  and any motherboard will work any there are no incompatibilities..  so this is all moot..

Scott, seriously man, what is your fixation with butts?
Look, this is Jim's parade not yours. You may give the occasional incorrect or misinfo answer here, but you're not trolling for the fish like Roseberry.

So, in terms you can hopefully understand, BUTT OUT, BUTTINSKY!

Mr Blint


Thanks to all who contribute on this board. I hope goddard is just ignorant of the fact that advice on these boards regarding what works and what doesn't is completely limited by the "experience" the advisor has with the multiple variables involved in a PC build and the myriad of permutations that they present. Therefore unless you happen to get a person that advises you and has the EXACT same spec as you including sound card, video, memory, Mobo, CPU, as well as DSP cards as well as the various software, you are getting advice that has pretty dubious value. When Jim or Scott chime in to caution you about something you are planning ... they are doing you a huge favor! They have experience with most of these variables. The fact that they don't freely hand over the punchline which they invested heavily in time and money to determine and define, should not be a surprise. So you have choices. Either ignore their warning and take your chance they are wrong and the other advisers on the forum are right, or you listen to them and avoid the configuration they warn against. Then you can either spend hours or days grinding thru the various forums cobbling together a strategy using advice gleaned from many many sources, or you can fork over the consulting fee to Jim, or you can just buy a box from one of these guys. The choice is yours, but to denigrate Jim for offering a warning without giving away the answer is just unfair (and if you already know everything I wrote, then that reaction is just obnoxious). I only write this because I would hate to see these guys stop participating because they get tired of this unwarranted criticism.

I don't think you've posted just to re-provoke a controversy, although I noted you recently started another topic about Vin's DAWbench Sonar benchmarking which seemed like a blatant troll, but I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt, that you're simply misinformed or of too recent vintage to know any better, and shall respond to what you've said.



Before this forum, there was an earlier forum (or two?). And before that forum, there was (and actually still is), a "cakewalk.audio" newsgroup on Usenet. That newsgroup is where many DAW builders (and not just for Cakewalk Audio, which was long before Sonar and grew out of the earlier MIDI-only Cakewak sequencer) congregated and exchanged info on building DAWs, including our good buddy Jim. And there were websites as well where selfless people offered guidance on building cutting edge DAWs. And the info was good, and it flowed freely. And our good buddy Jim shared info then too, when he wasn't busy building and selling DAWs. And our good buddy Scott too, when he wasn't busy doing the same and sourcing overclockable cpu's.


So, I'm not ignorant, Blint. I know a bit more than you seem to. 


No need to worry about the gurus no longer "participating" here. Although a lot of folks who did participate to share info here in the past have long gone for good, our gurus are still here to make a buck.


Used to be the gurus were content to sell their wares based on their quality and rep and support. Seems anymore they want to turn a profit on giving out the info too, and that's fine, only this ain't the place for that.

So, at the risk of coming off obnoxious, perhaps you should just STFU...