James is as James does.

I've known him since he was first on the forums as Radio in the Music Creator forum.  then he was Knight Rider, then...well..I forget all of his names.

I am pretty certain he did not have the intention of causing trouble by putting this link up.  He was likely just trying to fit in here in his way.

but his humor is "off" and he's the most paranoid person I've met on the internet (even worse than Bobby).  I refuse to comment on his songs in the songs forum because if you give him any constructive criticism he takes that as a personal attack and he starts attacking back. 

...and he's the originator of the term "becan" 

Bub


I was born and raised in NJ. My dad and brother always had guns when I was growing up. It was never any big deal to get them, but I imagine it depended on where you lived and who you knew. And my brother is an officer in a small town, so that doesn't hurt I guess.


The problem isn't Jersey ... it's the trash passing through it on it's way East.

Yes.... I worked with a guy who had served time for attempted murder... he shot a union boss in the union hall in front of a bunch of folks....  the guy lived so it was assault with a deadly and attempted.... he served time but eventually got out for good behavior and had the felon label attached to his record.   He knew the sheriff really well and was somehow able to buy a .357 revolver..... which he brought to work one day. Showing it off..... as well as a 30-30 deer rifle...level action.  


So it's who you know..... that was in 1972. Now, just having certain guns is illegal. More then half the guns, and all the rifles I own, as well as the standard capacity magazines for them,  are illegal in NJ and I would be arrested and the guns confiscated should I ever be foolish enough to go there with them. 

The problem is NJ and their laws. To gun owners, the advice is to detour out of your way if headed into New England and avoid NJ at all costs. It's not a gun friendly state and hundreds of gun owners have discovered that and spent time in jail as well as loosing their cherished and sometimes heirloom guns to the chopping block and the cutting torch with thousands of dollars in legal fees to boot. 


While I used to live there, I will never go back. Anyone there who wants to see me will have to come south to the gun loving second amendment supporting state of NC. 

I don't understand something ... how are you supposed to transport a gun once you own it? Does it have to be delivered by the gun dealer in an armored vehicle in pieces and reassembled in your house or something?

I don't get it?

EDIT: Referring to NJ here.

You just pay a guy from North Carolina to drive one up and deliver it for you.

Where do you think the bad guys are getting their guns from?

mike_mccue

You just pay a guy from North Carolina to drive one up and deliver it for you.

That's uncalled for Mike ...

Where do you think the bad guys are getting their guns from?

The same place bad guys get most things ... they stole them.

With regards to New Jersey and North Carolina.

New Jersey offers the highest population density of any state.


North Carolinians can Open Carry to a certain degree... and this is largely made possible by the fact that North Carolina has an average population density that is 1/6th as dense as New Jersey.

New Jersey:       1,189    inhabitants per square mile 
North Carolina:    198.2 inhabitants per square mile


The claim that North Carolina is an open carry state does not describe the actual circumstance.

In North Carolina, the definition of the term "open carry" covers a number of circumstances and the degree to which you may display a weapon openly is largely dependent on the population density of the respective locality.


Here's how a prominent Gun Rights Advocacy group based in North Carolina explains open carry in North Carolina:


http://www.ncrpa.org/faq/cch.shtml


"Q: I don't want to get a Concealed Handgun Permit; I just want to carry a gun openly in a holster. Is this legal?
A: In North Carolina there is no State law specifically prohibiting the open carry of firearms. Under the theory that if it isn't specifically prohibited it's not illegal, open carry is possible. There are some glaring exceptions to this. They are:

Private property owners and businesses can post "no guns."

Firearms are strictly prohibited on state-owned property, except rest areas and state lands where hunting is permitted.

Local governments can (and do) enact prohibitions against "display of firearms" in cities and/or specific areas within cities or counties, which means they can't be visible. Under this statute there is absolutely no requirement for the city or county to post notice of the display ban.

Local governments can (and do) enact firearms bans on local government property and in parks and recreational areas.

Any federally-owned property or federally-regulated property like banks and Post Offices is of course a prohibited area.

Much of the Outer Banks is "National Seashore," and firearms are prohibited in those areas. So in theory that leaves everywhere else in the state - except for one more thing. There is a common-law offense in NC called "going armed to the terror of the people." Basically what this means is that if someone sees you carrying a firearm and calls the police to report "person with a gun," you can be charged with this offense. It's not often used in rural areas, but has been used in populated areas. If you are an out-of-state visitor who is not here lawfully hunting or engaged in some overt firearms-related event such as a competition, it will be hard to talk your way out of it.
Q: So is open carry legal in NC?
A:In theory, yes. In practice, maybe. It seems to us like a very good way to get arrested."



New Jersey's laws are not that much different from the laws in the densely populated parts of North Carolina.

I think some people get really aggravated with having to accommodate the existence of other people... even if those people live hundreds of miles away in an other state. 

It seems like people employ ideals and myths to divert attention from what seems, to me, to be an inability to cope with dense crowding. It's just another form of self medication.

The guy in the OP video obviously knows better than to walk down a city street in Oregon with a gun on his belt... it seems like he has practiced the episode over and over in his mind and he did a really good job of playing his role as a innocent victim. 

Most folks understand the equation and know when and where the balance point is. The myths and ideals don't have much to do with how it really works... when most of the folks on your block don't want to see you toting your silly gun around it's time for you to take your silly gun further out of town where they don't have to see it. It's the polite thing to do.


best regards,
mike

Bub

mike_mccue

You just pay a guy from North Carolina to drive one up and deliver it for you.

That's uncalled for Mike ...

Where do you think the bad guys are getting their guns from?

The same place bad guys get most things ... they stole them.

You may suggest that my mention of the world renowned iron pipeline is uncalled for, but you can't bully me in to submitting to the convenience of your myth.


:-)

I can honestly say, without a shadow of a doubt, 100% unequivocally for certain, I have no idea what you are talking about Mike when you talk about this "myth" thing.

The only myth is the one you conjured up in your mind.

I'm ok with the fact you don't care for guns, I accept that. I'm ok with the fact that Herb is a gun owner. I am too. We're all molded by our experience. For example ... Personally, I don't like people who ride bikes on public roadways. I think they are pretension, self centered, arrogant people who think they have the right to share the same space with a 3,000 pound vehicle and get all uptight when one accidentally hits them. Common sense would dictate that you wouldn't 'want' to share the same space on public roadway with a 3,000 pound projectile doing 25 ~ 55MPH ... but hey, here we are. It really sucks out in Colorado. 

I'm just trying to understand how people transport a gun in the State Of New Jersey, and it's of particular interest to me because my father willed me his gun collection. They are in New Jersey and I'm in Missouri. When the time comes, I'd like to know how to get them out of the state without breaking any laws. That's what honest law abiding citizens do. You have a tendency to project the belief that 'everyone' is a of the criminal mind who owns a gun and that's not the case.

Have your NJ dealer/broker ship them to your MO dealer/broker.

Works every time.


best regards,
mike

Here's  a link Bub, 
http://www.handgunlaw.us/ Unless you have reciprocity regarding a license/ permit depending on the state.
It's my understanding that Fed law allows you to travel THROUGH ( no stops, not even to pee) any state,
As long as its carried in locked container with any ammo also in a SEPARATE locked container


Bub your best bet is to call a NJ firearms dealer and a local dealer to set the transfer. 
If you call an official  NJ LEO department they won't tell you anything,
 (I'm guessing but I'd bet money on it)




All the best,
Mikey