"Fair" ?

LOL.   The world is flat.  Well that's fair..people did really think that....it's also bullsh*t.

Meh. If that statement about the forum was written at the time he says it was it is indeed accurate. I had bought X2 and was going to wait to install it but the deluge of praise from not just the fanbois but other users I've found to be more realistic, pragmatic... and even some haterz coaxed me into installing it earlier than intended. I was indeed much happier with it than I was with X1. That initial happiness has faded quite a bit though for the exact reason I mentioned. I was letting a few of the oddities slide because I expected a patch to fix them. When the reports started coming in that in many ways the patch made it worse that's when I started to get a little crankier about it. I don't run Win8. I don't want to run Win8. I would NEVER use a touch screen to do anything more than control Sonar from afar while tracking and yet I get saddled with bugs that to me are quite obviously due to Win8 implementation.

That said... I ain't gonna let it get me down. My life is sh*tty enough as it is without letting a program take control of my emotions. It does what I need it to and for my purposes it is a lot easier to use than X1. X1 was an enormous PITA for me to work with and I found bugs and crashes were far more catastrophic and harder work around.

You gotta remember too that Craig makes his living doing this. If he went all slash and burn on things all the time I don't think that would be very good for his bottom line. However I do get the impression he legitimately likes X2. Can't really fault the man for genuinely expressing what he thinks. If he's lying... well that I have no respect for but it seems he's having the same experience some of the luckier users are having. I count myself as one of those luckier users. I have no idea how the program can behave so differently for different people but apparently it does and I think THAT is something Cake needs to take a good hard look at. More testing on more platforms. Don't sweep bugs under the rug or outright ignore them and bloody well go through the manual at least once to make SURE the features touted actually do what they are supposed to in the manner they are supposed to do them. If you find something busted make sure there is an easily accessible list of the problems so users can cross reference it so they don't pull their hair out wondering what the heck is going on (like I have on occasion). 

So whatever... I guess some might call me a fanbois... some might call me a hater. I really can't control others opinions. But one thing is for sure... I don't and won't knowingly bullsh*t anybody and I won't slag or gloss over problems when I see them. 

I feel like the odd man out sometimes because of that but really... it's just a piece software and Cakewalk is just another company. If I found that the program total garbage I would dump it. If it was working perfectly I wouldn't jump all over people who were having problems. I can only hope that others see that.

Cheers.

Beepster, you make some really good points there.

I think there is a fundamental, but important, difference between the so-called 'fanboys' and the so-called 'haters'.

I tend to notice that those who have problems with the software and are vocal about it (the 'haters') normally do so in an objective rational manner, and are at best happy for those whose software is working, at worse disinterested in that fact.

Contrast that with the attitude of a small minority of 'fanboys'. They often view others' problems through rose-tinted spectacles, blaming every other possible cause of their problems instead of the software itself. This often just exascerbates the situations, especially if the 'advice' comes gilded with an air of smugness.

And often, the waters are muddied further because some of the 'fanboys' claim they are experiencing zero problems with their software, even though they never use a particular technique or feature which is quite obviously broken for others.

I've been accused of being a 'hater' by John a few times, yet this couldn't be further from the truth. I love my Cakewalk products, I wouldn't use them if I didn't. But that doesn't stop me thinking for myself and having an objective view of those products.

Bub


Well ... to be even more fair ... X2 was really an update to X1 and what X1 should have been. So really, there wouldn't be the kind of uproar with X2 that you saw we saw with X1 because it wasn't really a new product like X1 was. That doesn't take away from the fact that it's still a bit shaky.

Absolutely.
 
X1 contained no new features over and above 8.5 as far as any worthwhile feature additions went.  To be fair to Cakewalk it does show they've been thinking about stuff and have some kind of strategy in place.
 
Unfortunately the resources allocated to implement the ideas mean that it's going to take some while to bear fruit, but you can clearly see now that much of what was introduced in X1 at a foundation level is being built on in X2.  X2's release was very much smoother than X1's but then X1's was a complete diabolical fiasco from about any standpoint you could take, but the biggest one being customer satisfaction.
 
The clearest indications that X1 was pretty much a 'technology preview' and not in any sense a completed product can be seen in things like the additions that have been made to Pro-Channel and the as yet incomplete Take Lanes idea in X2.
 
Sonar is in no doubt going in the right direction, but then again it needs to, a long way and at a much quicker pace than it looks like the company is currently able to maintain.
 
Cutting some of the costs involved in paying spokespeople to paint a rosy picture of what can already be clearly seen by anyone bothered enough to look might be a good way of moving toward getting the resources where they are actually needed just now.
 
I really did plan to upgrade this time around on account of the advertised added functionality but after trying the demo and seeing so much (like Take Lanes) that is only partially implemented still, and so much of the reliable unreliablity that I've come to know from the brand that the chance to try it became the thing that talked me out of it.

Pretty sure there's two l's in lollipop. 

sharke


Pretty sure there's two l's in lollipop. 

 
But no 'L's at all in "Wowwipop"

Hi, Steve. Thanks. I just try to take it all in stride. I find I can pretty much learn from most of the folks here aside from a few of the bizarro lunatics that pop up from time to time so I just try to step back and and filter out the white noise to get at what's important. How to make this behemoth of a program do what I need it to. I just hope that some of the slammings Craig has been taking lately doesn't make him shy away from posting because he is a super helpful dude and I've seen it happen on other forums where a guy just says "Yanno what? I don't need this crap" and bails. In fact I've done it myself. I understand the reasons why people might get worked up about things someone as influential as he is says when it seems contrary to their own experiences but in the end he is a flesh and blood dude just like the rest of us and he does seem to have a real love of music as well as helping people create their own music. That right there earns him a massive amount of respect from me. When it comes to hardware and computer set ups there are definitive right and wrong ways to approach things. When it come down to creating music though and what a musicians personal preferences are it's all very subjective. That's why it's hard for me to get behind a lot of the debates that go on here. If it all works for someone then that is great IMO. If someone is having a hard time I'll do my best to offer my limited knowledge to see if I can help get them in a good place. Other than that all I can do is shrug my shoulders. Like I said... my life is a real crap factory (although getting MUCH better thankfully) so I just find it wasteful that people get so upset about something so trivial in the grand scheme of things. I'm getting into a place where I can actual WALK again after a few years of barely being able to move without terrible pain. I used to get angry about stupid stuff... then life gave me far more perspective on what suckage truly means.

Sonar doesn't suck. Sonar is quirky. Being a twisted up ball of useless... that sucks.

Cheers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkzArYrC0MM
 
 
Fixed  :)