Yeah...I'm sorry too. Good advice too Tim. I know if I do buy another one I'm taking a different approach.
Jim has one I'm looking at and now I'm trying to decide whether or not to continue ...right now I'm just tired of the computer industry in general.
It's always something it seems.
I'll get over it and do whatever it is that I feel like I should do.....right now it can all go in the trash as far as I'm concerned. I have better things to enjoy without the BS.
Posted the many reasons I feel that way. Easy to understand why I do huh?

I have a Ryobi that is fantastic for what I do. Had it for years so haven't been looking at them. Don' t remember what it cost but it was in that range.

Hi Tim,
 After my conversation with the Woodcraft store owner I started looking for a used Rigid TS3650. It is the last "made in Taiwan" saw of the era. Production was shifted to China... where upon the first batch of spindles cracked and there was a hiatus of supply for over a year.


 I was lucky I found an older couple doing a house remodel just east of Ocala who had one of these saws still in the shrink wrap box. They bought it on sale for $399 and never took it out of the box.

 I paid them $400 and drove down to Ocala one day to get it.

 I took my wife sight seeing as well... we drove down an old Florida dirt road and ended up at the southern mouth of Lake George and stood where John Bartram stood hundreds of years ago and wrote in his journal. Wild Florida. Got a great photo of a Coach Whip Snake that day.

 Good memories.


 Here's a review of that saw:

http://benchmark.20m.com/...idgidTS3650Review.html

It was such a good value that it has a sort of cult following. It can be adjusted to work well and the fence is excellent out of the box.

I have an old Rockwell set up for dada as well... it's fence isn't worth using so I use a sled on it.

If I needed one more saw I'd shop Craigs list for a used Rigid TS3650... unless you want that safety feature and then Sawstop is a no brainer.


best regards,
mike



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mike_mccue

I keep finding things I value much more that I can enjoy and spend my time with.



all the best,
mike

That sure makes sense.
 
 

 

spacey

mike_mccue


That auto stop stuff freaks me out.

:-)

Why? That has to be the coolest safety feature ever invented. If it's triggered once it's possibly worth
more than one can put a price on.

Have you ever seen a video with their top quality control tester?  "Three fingers" Ted?

mike_mccue




I guess my personal philosophy is that personal safety needs to be managed at a meta level that is much higher than a near instantaneous reaction to an incident. 

I never switch the saw on until my assistant and I have confirmed our plan to move the wood through and called fingers safe.

I ripped a 12' 2" x 10" yellow pine plank into 2" x 1/4" quarter sawn lathe last weekend on a contractor saw.... yikes... gotta plan and do it right or don't even try. :-)

There's also the fact that my cell phone doesn't effectively use it's capacitance sensor all the time... and I don't trust the saw blade to work much better than my phone's touch screen.

And... some wood worker industry pundits have pointed out that the mere existence of this patented featured has created a climate of increased liability for the vendors who do not (or can not) offer the licensed safety feature and so the entire homesumer and contractor saw market reacted by simply removing a lot of product from the field... competition for production of table saws ranging from $500 to $2k became less contested and buyers have less options than 10 years ago.

I had a long conversation with a Woodcraft franchise owner about why I couldn't actually order many of the saws in their catalog... he showed me the new safety saw and gave me the hot dog demo... and then he explained how the whole sale supply chain had shifted so rapidly that the catalogs couldn't keep up. He also explained how many name plates simply took the option to leave the price point.

It seemed like he was showing me a saw with a cheap fence I would never use. :-) A lot has changed since then and Sawstop has a full range of products... so that wouldn't apply as it did then.

Anyways...  they freak me out.

Every one of those "finger save" stories seems like evidence that we don't have effective wood shop programs in our middle and high schools anymore. I'm glad everyone still has their fingers.

In my college sculpture lab we had a student that refused to take the work tool safety intro class seriously. She lodged a formal complaint about my Professor claiming hat he spoke to her disrespectfully in the shop. It hurt my Professors career... and all he was doing was yelling "stop" in an effort to keep her from killing herself.

The day she got her hair caught in the drill press it scalped her... but not before it smashed her nose in the cast iron table.

We called 911 immediately and tried to help the best we could. It was pretty awful.

The incident hurt my professor's career as well.

Wood tools are dangerous... I don't think anything should distract people from focusing on that.

Not pretending to have any answers...  it just freaks me out that's all. :-)

When you buy yours I'm gonna say "congrats" for doing something you want to do! :-)



all the best,
mike

Are you sure this is the same Mike McCue that chews up footpaths with a chainsaw whilst wearing peep toed sandals?...
 
 
 
 
How about having safety policy like that AND a flesh-eating monster detector at the end of the chain?
 
It ain't something you rely on but just may be something you're are still able to give a thumbs up to when you messed up one time and it did kick in.
 
What freaks me out is something that makes perfect sense freaking someone out.

Those are closed toe sneakers... designed to give the operator with two different length legs a stable operating platform. ;-)

 I just bought a Ryobi Table saw to do my built in job. It was the one with the built in stand because I don't have the room to let one sit in the garage.

 It was in your range timidi but I wouldn't buy it if I were using a saw constantly. This one gets the job done for a weekender.

 Spacey- For general web surfing the ipad is probably the easiest thing to use or maybe an android. I know you are an intelligent guy and I'm not saying you necessarily need something simple....but if you want something that works and works well every time this is it.

  These are fine even for some of the more intensive types of things you do on a computer. When I got my wife one she didn't think she would ever use it....now I think she is married to it instead of me sometimes.

 For music, a computer can either make or break success with  DAW software. In my experiences if I get something that works it usually stays working until years later when the HDD takes a poo. If it doesn't work it can be a nightmare. If you get to the bottom of whatever the problem is, I think you will be one happy camper.

 

Starise


 I just bought a Ryobi Table saw to do my built in job. It was the one with the built in stand because I don't have the room to let one sit in the garage.

It was in your range timidi but I wouldn't buy it if I were using a saw constantly. This one gets the job done for a weekender.

Spacey- For general web surfing the ipad is probably the easiest thing to use or maybe an android. I know you are an intelligent guy and I'm not saying you necessarily need something simple....but if you want something that works and works well every time this is it.

These are fine even for some of the more intensive types of things you do on a computer. When I got my wife one she didn't think she would ever use it....now I think she is married to it instead of me sometimes.

For music, a computer can either make or break success with  DAW software. In my experiences if I get something that works it usually stays working until years later when the HDD takes a poo. If it doesn't work it can be a nightmare. If you get to the bottom of whatever the problem is, I think you will be one happy camper.

I don't think they've made the Ryobi I have for twenty years.
 
I appreciate the recommended options. I've sifted through them for 20+ years for internet and for audio use. X2 isn't the first time I've dealt with having issues.
 
Currently it's not how to work the soil or grow the trees ...it's more like- those are some water soaking ugly ass trees...maybe I should plant potatoes.
 
Happiness is a zipper that works and good reasons to work it ;)

I have a Delta Industrial table saw.

I've always liked Delta tools, always had good luck with them.

I imagine this thing will end up in a garage sale some day when I'm gone and keep on rolling for a good 50 years or more. It's built like a tank.

I managed to find a picture Tim. You may can tell that on the left there is a sliding miter table. It's very cool and can adjust for accuracy. On the right you may see that the table section has a place to mount a router.
Both rails slide and the fence is adjustable. I've adjusted it once or twice in all the years.

The outlet to plug-in a router or another tool is control by the table saw switch...unplug the table saw is a good idea if you use it.

To bad they quit making this one. Of course they had to....great design, good parts...just
going to last to long that way.

Everything adjusts...the sled the router side..
It's not in the photo but there is a miter fence that mounts on the left. Not that little
thing either...it's a fence that locks down.

Well I could see the picture before I posted....here's a link.
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