mike_mccue


Its more like:

how SONAR handles plug ins (including it's own) and VSTis.

Those plugins and VSTis often work real well in certain combinations and they also work well in other DAWs.

It is how SONAR handles the stuff and the wild number of combinations that makes it all seem so spontaneous and random.

The only practical solution is figure out what you think is doing it and stop doing it.

I'm so used to it all working well that if I introduce something new and it's makes something flaky I notice it right away and I make the problem go away... like when the ProChannel was switching on and off by itself.

I sent that head ache to the penalty box. Game over.


:-)


all the best,
mike

The key to doing successful testing is to run 180 degrees in the opposite direction to that.

I'm not a tester... I am an end user.

Testers are appreciated by someone such as myself.

Thanks.



best regards,
mike

Danny Danzi

FastBikerBoy


I rarely get Sonar crashing or dropping out but Camtasia is a nightmare in comparison although to be fair the latest version has improved things considerably.

While I was making the X2 video I was using Camtasia 8.0.1 and I was lucky if I could run it for much longer than 30 minutes without a crash - (that's the editor not the capture software which was fine). There seemed to be a fairly major bug with markers but the latest version 8.0.3 is much better if still a little sensitive.

I've never bothered to try and 'optimise' for video simply because it's so stable as a DAW I don't want to rock the boat.

If it ain't broke..... etc...etc

Man Karl, total opposite for me. I beat my pc's to death with video's and they NEVER crash thank God. Camtasia 8 was weird...it messed up on me a few times so I went back to 7 and that's where I am still. Just got done using it for about 12 hours without a single crash or snert. Same with Vegas...I beat the living heck out of it and my pc's all the time and honest when I tell you (touches wood) never a crash. My temps ramp up to about 60 C during a render, but that's about the only thing happening over here.
 
I'm fine with Sonar too as long as I stay away from x64. I'm starting to believe (from more testing) it's 3rd party plugs and VSTi's. As long as I stay "straight Sonar" it's been rock solid. As soon as I start messing around with other stuff, that's when I seem to have issues. I've tried my best to use nothing but x64 plugs too...so whatever it is, so far I can't narrow it down other than to stick with 32 bit....it just works for me.
 
-Danny

I sometimes wonder what would happen with my machine if I did attempt editing video on it.  I'd like to think it would cope to some degree, but it's not something I fancy taking on.
 
I end up with more stuff than I can complete just with the audio stuff, I think for me personally I'd get someone who deals with it daily to put together anything I needed to get done.
 
I don't know how guys like you do it, getting so much stuff out at the high quality that seems to come out.  I suppose it must be that ol' necessity thing being the mother of invention over a period of time because if I think about what's involved in getting movie studio up and running on top of an audio one I think I'd just better go and lie down and rest now...

mike_mccue


I'm not a tester... I am an end user.

Testers are appreciated by someone such as myself.

Thanks.



best regards,
mike

Exactly, you WOULD be appreciating it if had been done enough.

I meant "thanks" for the good work you are doing on the various beta teams you are on.

Even if your contributions don't effect me first hand the pay it forward effort helps us all.



best,
mike

mike_mccue

I meant "thanks" for the good work you are doing on the various beta teams you are on.

Even if your contributions don't effect me first hand the pay it forward effort helps us all.

best,
mike

Huh, I didn't get that out of it.

I need to pay attention better.

Jonbouy

Danny Danzi

FastBikerBoy


I rarely get Sonar crashing or dropping out but Camtasia is a nightmare in comparison although to be fair the latest version has improved things considerably.

While I was making the X2 video I was using Camtasia 8.0.1 and I was lucky if I could run it for much longer than 30 minutes without a crash - (that's the editor not the capture software which was fine). There seemed to be a fairly major bug with markers but the latest version 8.0.3 is much better if still a little sensitive.

I've never bothered to try and 'optimise' for video simply because it's so stable as a DAW I don't want to rock the boat.

If it ain't broke..... etc...etc

Man Karl, total opposite for me. I beat my pc's to death with video's and they NEVER crash thank God. Camtasia 8 was weird...it messed up on me a few times so I went back to 7 and that's where I am still. Just got done using it for about 12 hours without a single crash or snert. Same with Vegas...I beat the living heck out of it and my pc's all the time and honest when I tell you (touches wood) never a crash. My temps ramp up to about 60 C during a render, but that's about the only thing happening over here.
 
I'm fine with Sonar too as long as I stay away from x64. I'm starting to believe (from more testing) it's 3rd party plugs and VSTi's. As long as I stay "straight Sonar" it's been rock solid. As soon as I start messing around with other stuff, that's when I seem to have issues. I've tried my best to use nothing but x64 plugs too...so whatever it is, so far I can't narrow it down other than to stick with 32 bit....it just works for me.
 
-Danny

I sometimes wonder what would happen with my machine if I did attempt editing video on it.  I'd like to think it would cope to some degree, but it's not something I fancy taking on.
 
I end up with more stuff than I can complete just with the audio stuff, I think for me personally I'd get someone who deals with it daily to put together anything I needed to get done.
 
I don't know how guys like you do it, getting so much stuff out at the high quality that seems to come out.  I suppose it must be that ol' necessity thing being the mother of invention over a period of time because if I think about what's involved in getting movie studio up and running on top of an audio one I think I'd just better go and lie down and rest now...

You know what my biggest problem is Jon? The learning curve. It's like...there are so many things coming at us from all different directions with this software stuff, it really does your head in. I think I've been really lucky with the video thing though...as well as the audio part. Even my crap machines seem to work well. Most of my problems went away with pc's the day I went to www.blackviper.com believe it or not.
 
I've bee using his tweaks for a long time now and have everything pretty etched in my brain on what to try if I have a problem. Quite a few DAW builders borrow from there too...so it can't be total bs. LOL! But a fairly experienced user knows what to touch and what not to...especially when the guy gives you in depth instructions about what each service means.
 
But yeah, the video thing is definitely tough on a machine as well as the person working with it. Especially when you sort of learn as you go along with everything like I do. You sort of get forced into that in a sense and sometimes it's not fun, other times...it's a blast of a time.
 
I try to never walk away from anything over here. Had a rapper call me about a year ago. First thing out of his mouth was "do y'all do DDP?" I'm like "excuse me"? He says "you know, DDP mastering? If y'all can't do it, I can't work wiff you." So I figure he's just not too up on the technology or something because a year ago, I had never heard of this. I say "oh yeah, no problem...we do everything here". He books a date, we hang up...and I start looking up DDP. LOL!!!!!
 
I start reading all this stuff about it and how you need a special hook-up with it while using Wave Lab...and it's pricey as heck, and this other place had a deal on something but you need to do this and this...and man, I'm ready to call the dude back and tell him I misunderstood him and don't have that capability, then a lightbulb went off....
 
I soo remember seeing some DDP button in Studio One 2....let me open that. Sure enough, DDP with the click of a button. I had no clue what it was or what it was used for. Talk about luck?! LOL!
 
Anyway, sorry to get off the path there. If you don't need to do any video stuff brother, don't even go there. Though I know these newer cpu's run a little hot under a load, keeping them at 60 C with spikes up to 65 C for a few hours or more during rendering is definitely beating them up. My main video machine has two of these http://www.imarketcity.com/la2026inmipe.html on it at all times when rendering those huge projects.
 
I leave the CD bay open and shoot air in through there, and shoot another one at the other side to push some air through and to the back. This one (even in a 70 to 75 degree F room) runs temps of 57 C to 60 C when I use those fans during rendering. Without them, it will spike to 65 and on one occassion...I saw a 69 C. So the fans have definitely helped a bit...but you know that sort of heat continuously is going to break some stuff down after a few years. So if you don't need to do video, stay away from it brother. :)
 
-Danny

mike_mccue


Its more like:

how SONAR handles plug ins (including it's own) and VSTis.

Those plugins and VSTis often work real well in certain combinations and they also work well in other DAWs.

It is how SONAR handles the stuff and the wild number of combinations that makes it all seem so spontaneous and random.

The only practical solution is figure out what you think is doing it and stop doing it.

I'm so used to it all working well that if I introduce something new and it's makes something flaky I notice it right away and I make the problem go away... like when the ProChannel was switching on and off by itself.

I sent that head ache to the penalty box. Game over.


:-)


all the best,
mike

Scratches head....I....I....wow....I totally agree with this! :) I definitely think there is a lot of truth in this at least in my case. When you run some other plugs in other programs, they definitely behave differently. Waves especially with the knob/fader movements. Even some of the big stuff I use...it's amazing how it just reacts differently when in Sonar. For the longest time I had a few plugs that just wouldn't work in Sonar yet worked in everything else. This is definitely an issue from time to time for people that I'd love to see sorted out. Question for you guys....
 
Have you ever felt that while using Sonar, you feel the need to tread softly and have to make sure you've done this that and this before you execute something? Like you're sort of walking on eggshells hoping you won't crash it and being extra careful?
 
That's sort of how I feel. I just about always stop playback before doing something and try not to multi-task anything while using Sonar. Sort of like....remember Win 95 or 98? When you first boot up, you normally didn't touch a thing until you knew it was done loading up and you stopped seeing hourglasses?
 
In Xp and beyond, you could just do whatever you wanted....so what if you're hourglassing or seeing a little spinning circle...do whatever you want, you'll be ok. That's how things work for me in other DAW software. I can punch the lion in the mouth and it just laughs at me while audio is playing. Bring in huge sample libraries without audio cutting out or dropping out or pausing. It's like every time I try to do something like this in Sonar, when it pauses, it gives me a "not responding" message in the top left title bar.
 
Some times it crashes but most times it doesn't crash, it just scares the heck out of me when it does that because it pauses first, then you see that "not responding"...than you're waiting for that white faded screen....which for some odd reason...I don't get in any other program. Do you guys? Is that a Win 7 default crash screen by chance? I don't ever see that anywhere else other than when Sonar crashes. Everything else (not just audio programs) gives me an illegal op message or something...but that white faded screen....I don't see that ever in anything else.
 
I'm with you Bub...honestly I'm not trying to bash on Sonar either...but it was way easier for me to have a fan boy side with Sonar when I hadn't used anything else. See man, some people don't get it. They think "just trying something" is the same as "using something" for a longer period of time to where you literally learn it like you know Sonar.
 
I'm not that far with the alternatives I use, but when you spend some time with them you definitely get those "oh wow" moments and some of them are pretty darn impressive. Features and looks, Sonar to me always edges out the competition. But there are things all the competition sort of has in common with themselves that are necessities....and these things in my opinion, are what Sonar needs to borrow from. Stuff like gapless audio, pitch control on the fly are common in just about every program....and to me are extremely important. I mean there's more...we can list several, but those things are standard really and to me make a difference when using other programs. Especially the engine stop thing. If I had to say my worst pet peeve in Sonar, that would be it. And it's something I never have a problem with in any other program I use.
 
But then you'll get 100 guys come on here and say "the audio engine never shuts down on me Danny, it's your system." Which I won't argue with....but "my system" doesn't experience this with programs that don't have an engine on/off nor do I get drop outs while recording at low latency....so in a sense, we'd be both right. :)

Danny Danzi

FastBikerBoy


I rarely get Sonar crashing or dropping out but Camtasia is a nightmare in comparison although to be fair the latest version has improved things considerably.

While I was making the X2 video I was using Camtasia 8.0.1 and I was lucky if I could run it for much longer than 30 minutes without a crash - (that's the editor not the capture software which was fine). There seemed to be a fairly major bug with markers but the latest version 8.0.3 is much better if still a little sensitive.

I've never bothered to try and 'optimise' for video simply because it's so stable as a DAW I don't want to rock the boat.

If it ain't broke..... etc...etc

Man Karl, total opposite for me. I beat my pc's to death with video's and they NEVER crash thank God. Camtasia 8 was weird...it messed up on me a few times so I went back to 7 and that's where I am still. Just got done using it for about 12 hours without a single crash or snert. Same with Vegas...I beat the living heck out of it and my pc's all the time and honest when I tell you (touches wood) never a crash. My temps ramp up to about 60 C during a render, but that's about the only thing happening over here.
 
I'm fine with Sonar too as long as I stay away from x64. I'm starting to believe (from more testing) it's 3rd party plugs and VSTi's. As long as I stay "straight Sonar" it's been rock solid. As soon as I start messing around with other stuff, that's when I seem to have issues. I've tried my best to use nothing but x64 plugs too...so whatever it is, so far I can't narrow it down other than to stick with 32 bit....it just works for me.
 
-Danny

HI Danny - I was late to the party with CAmtasia so I trialled V7 which I didn't have any problems with but by the time I got round to buying it V8 was out so that's what I ended up with. I haven't tried but I assume I'm not entitled to download V7.
 
I rather gather from their forum that for some users V7--->V8 was their 8.5--->X1. AS I'd only used the trial for a month I really didn't know much difference workflow wise so that side of it never affected me but the initial V8 was certainly far more unstable than V7 which for the month's trial never crashed once.
 
V8 on the other hand was a nightmare. The first update settled it down somewhat and the latest is even more stable with some workflow enhancements. It is still nowehere near as stable as X2 for me though.
 
I'm 64 bit all the way with Sonar and have been since V7, I switched about halfway through that cycle when I made the mistake of installing XPx64.  A nightmare I'd rather not think about.

Oh so now you're all video experts????


Get some video going along with a wah wah pedal in sonar and send it to some smut company and bingo .... Your making an extra 75k a year playing and editing background music for smut triple or quadruple X? 


I see where this is all going. 


Meanwhile Mooch is still getting paid minimum wage recording the neighborhood 15 year olds band who call themselves "dynomite glue" cuz they are gonna be rock starts some day.  And then the neighbor hood kid can't even afford to pay me minimum wage so I end up working for free. 


This is all a plot by Bapu to screw me over. 


I see how is. 

You're all here just to screw mooch. You were never gonna tell me about your plans to make a pile of money doing background smut cake music. 


Thanks a lot guys. 

That's ahhhhh LOT!!! 


Sincerly, 

Epstiens Mother 



;) 


J/k