spacey


I'm still messing with 64 Danny.

Since the project was done on a template which included all the Spectrasonics stuff
set-up along with other things I wanted to do another project with a "clean" slate.

I thought that I might try and pin-point what may have caused the issues and buy some time...8.5.3 is still on a 64 bit too.
I did find a weird issue with "Atmoshere" that was still kept (intentionally by the company)
that is part of Omnisphere and got that corrected.
It may be vst issues for some of the problems I had....trying to sort that out right now.

I did open up 8.5.3 -64 bit and geeze.....X2 has ruined me. I really like it.
Before I go to 32 I have to do what I can. Sure not one to complain and bother others without trying to do what I can.
Between the honey do, guitar /pickup builds , chores....lol you know...stuff just takes time.

I know you're there and that is a fantastic comfort. Thank you my friend.

Michael

Yeah I have the same problem. I open 8.5 and it's just missing so much. Then when I start working in it and it doesn't let me down, I start to not miss the other cool things. I have such insane templates in 8.5 with all my plugs ready to go, it doesn't bother me that PC isn't there. I do miss the drag and drop options as well as the screen sets. (waits for Karl to perk up and say "screen sets, did someone say screen sets?!" lol)
 
You learn to get used to things though....and at the end of the day, I'm all for the tools that allow you to get your work done. Again though, I stress, X1 and X2 have been very good to me. I just have a few small things that bother me that aren't really sho stoppers. I just choose to do the majority of my work in 8.5 because when I use it, my hand doesn't have to stay in a permanent state of ctrl+s which makes me look a bit like a raptor. LOL! I got this one client that works with me that noticed that...he jumps on my keyboard, puts his hand in the ctrl+s form, and says really fast "control s baby, control s". Hahaha!
 
On the cooking thing...man, I soo feel your pain there. If God forbid something ever happened to my dad, I think I'd starve to death or disappear. Only so much microwaving I can handle. My dad says to me the other day when I was complaining about the potatoes he made not being brown enough ( I like them a little more crisp) "you're gonna miss this kitchen b!tch when he's gone pal...stop complaining and eat or I'll make potatoes in the can next time." LOL!
 
-Danny

Working that project with X2 was really making me better. I was learning to do things
that I didn't do before.

Using the keyboard more for controlling. I've never used the keyboard as much as I did in that project.
The added features- I really like. The pro channel and new plugs...just a real good fit and improvement for me.

Anyway I just feel that it's to early in the game to make big changes. I'll do that when I'm
certain they need to be done.

In a nutshell it's just to good to run from. I'll do that when I've exhausted things to try..but a new PC when this thing isn't that old and processes other 64 bit programs so well...and others are having issues with Rain and other new ones....doesn't make sense to look there yet.

You're a lucky man to still have family (Dad)...I know you know that.

Totally with you there. Definitely try your best to exhaust everything possible if you have the time and desire. Just know you got me if you need me...I know ya know that. Not sure I can help, but I sure can try and hopefully we can laugh ouselves into oblivion while doing so. :)

I really think it's 64 Michael....I just find too many weird things on my system. Yet, I was having a talk with Ed (Bapu) and he tried some of the things I was crying about and they worked perfectly for him. Whatever it is, it's gotta be system specific. Then again, there are people that have experienced the same things as me with x64...so we're not totally out of our tree. Here's an example that just happened to me yesterday..

I'm working on a video for one of the plugins I help to develop. The one thing I wanted to do, was show how it works in Sonar 64 because we've gotten quite a few complaints of it not working. So I wanted to show how *I* make it work as the plug was not built for x64....but it does work.

As I'm doing the video, there is a segment where I play my guitar. So I have to switch to cam mode so people can see me playing instead of watching Sonar capture my audio. Sonar 64 will crap out on me every time when the video is running at the same time. I can't even have the drivers set to 64...they need to be at 512 and of course I get a little latency.

Now I know what most people will say here. "Dude, do you really expect to run a camera taking video in real time and Sonar with plugs etc at 64 sample buffers without any drop outs?" I would answer "no, I really don't expect it to work without a few issues and work-arounds."

However, do the same thing in Sonar 32....and not a single drop out. There is just something weird with 64 on my system. Like I said before, even my band templates that work perfectly in 32 bit Sonar, drop out when using x64 using the same exact template or give me latency. Not to mention, bit bridge hates me. So for me, totally dismissing 64 has helped me other than when I need to use a bunch of VSTi's. That's the ONLY time I notice a difference worth noting really. But this is rare for me as I normally don't need more than 8 or so in a project. And even there, 32 bit Sonar handles things quite well until I start running 3 drum kits in Kontakt at once. Then I have to go over to 64...but even that's rare and only seems to happen with multi instances of Kontakt. Then again, Kontakt and I are enemies. Oh to bring that program to life and fight it in the ring for 5 rounds. LOL! :)
 
Oh yeah, quite lucky to still have Dad. We both have a hard time believing and accepting he's 77. Still moves around like a 50 year old and looks every bit of 60. A few issues here and there health wise, but nothing that stops him from working 40 hours a week at Rowan college while walking nearly 12-14 miles per night as a supervisor. I'm truly blessed....if only we still had mom though.

-Danny

Hi Spacey,

 Why not phone Jim R up and have a quick chat?

 I can't speak for him but I think you will find that he will recommend something practical and reliable.

 I'm not suggesting you buy a new system... I'm suggesting that you speak with JimR about what seems practical and reliable.

 I suspect that you'll learn that a lot of advice you see about what OS to run and what system to run it on is much more optimistic than what a guy that stands behind his service and product 100% will recommend.

 The circumstance is always changing... the guys that stand behind their recommendations 100% are the guys really struggling and eventually making the best decisions and recommendations.

 I've got a a new JimR system on my wish list... we are gonna go retro 2012 with it and it's gonna be a keeper. :-)


 all the best,
mike

"Whatever it is, it's gotta be system specific". -Danny

And that is what I'm having trouble processing. Why does the other 64 bit
programs perform and X2 not on the same computer? "Perform" isn't the right word...
why does it act so weird? I'd like to try and find that answer.



Mike....mainly because I don't want him, Danny or anybody that I ask for help to ask
me "did you try...?" and me respond with....well, no I haven't tried anything yet.

I mean if it's going to take being a tech to try and get it going...I need to spend some time
trying I think. I don't think it'll take long to exhaust my troubleshooting skills though.
I also know how I am....if I get Jim on the phone I'll want to let him know I'm sending all
my software, external drive and the UA-101 so he can load and backup everything on a new one....needed or not. LOL.
I'd really like to hear what he has to say about that interface.

spacey


"Whatever it is, it's gotta be system specific". -Danny

And that is what I'm having trouble processing. Why does the other 64 bit
programs perform and X2 not on the same computer? "Perform" isn't the right word...
why does it act so weird? I'd like to try and find that answer.



Mike....mainly because I don't want him, Danny or anybody that I ask for help to ask
me "did you try...?" and me respond with....well, no I haven't tried anything yet.

I mean if it's going to take being a tech to try and get it going...I need to spend some time
trying I think. I don't think it'll take long to exhaust my troubleshooting skills though.
I also know how I am....if I get Jim on the phone I'll want to let him know I'm sending all
my software, external drive and the UA-101 so he can load and backup everything on a new one....needed or not. LOL.
I'd really like to hear what he has to say about that interface.

You're soo like me. LOL! However, I have to confess....there have been times when Jim answered something for me in one sentence that was taking me 2 days....so, it might not be a bad idea bro. LOL! I know the feeling though....you just need to find out and experiment on your own. If you had a business running there, then yeah, you may want to get some sort of support asap.
 
But since there's nothing really detrimental happening, I'm all for old fashioned trial, error and experience. I wouldn't know half the stuff I know about pc's without that. And to be honest, I owe a lot of it to Cakewalk/Sonar because of all the times I've been faced with doing things because of it. I know that sounds like a bash, but it's really the truth. Though it's forced me to learn things, I'm glad I've learned them so I don't have to bother guys like Jim as often. You'll know when you've had enough though...but until that time, best of luck sorting it out bro. :)
 
-Danny

The hour is getting late Spacey. This is my last chance to do something about it because of my age, but it's sooooo hard.

 
My sentiments exactly.... sometimes it borders on despair. I just turned 61 and I don't have years of experience to fall back on.... but I am getting it done. I've always been very pragmatic about things.. you know, don't do anything until you have absolutely have to but then do it right... or it could be that I am just a procrastinator, however... I prefer to believe the former, that way I still have hope. In the 90s I realized if I was ever going to be anything other than a guitar strummer... I better get started. I didn't learn speed exercises but I did learn scales and I learned to improvise with pretty much anything. I still didn't know many songs other than what I have known since the 70s but now I could play with most tunes. It made me really happy to learn, to acheive, and to just play for "me". I wrote songs and I've wanted to record them for years. I have a strong tendency to keep preparing but never get to the work... I am ready. Stand or fall. Good or bad... I am now semi-retired (well, mostly retired) and have started... you are right, it is hard but Bub... it isn't nearly as hard as it used to be when we had to break the bank to get a computer that wold sort of almost do what we wanted, needed a midi sync device, and on and on... and no matter what... it would (for me at least) end in such frustration that I would lay it aside for a few months or until I had sorgotten EVERYTHING I learned the last time I tried... then I would try again and experience the classic definition of insanity. I've hung out here, refused to let myself leave, read post after post, listened to songs, watched videos, and most importantly made friends whom I trust enough to let behind my wall... so yeah, time is running short but time isn't up!!
 
Thanks for this post... when I respond to something like this I put more pressure on myself to do something or be thought a fool... it may sound weird, but it works for me. I sometimes think I am just carrying on a family tradition... disfunction!
 
I cannot tell you how much you, Spacey, Danny, JB, Steve, Jules, Bapu, Alex, Sharke, Janet, Bubba, Beagle and just everyone... (I probably left out some who has been a huge help) have helped me by just being here. You never know what throwaway line is going to mean something to someone.
 
Old... eh.... just more pendantic roight?  Can I get an AMEN??
 

jbow

The hour is getting late Spacey. This is my last chance to do something about it because of my age, but it's sooooo hard.

 
My sentiments exactly.... sometimes it borders on despair. I just turned 61 and I don't have years of experience to fall back on.... but I am getting it done. I've always been very pragmatic about things.. you know, don't do anything until you have absolutely have to but then do it right... or it could be that I am just a procrastinator, however... I prefer to believe the former, that way I still have hope. In the 90s I realized if I was ever going to be anything other than a guitar strummer... I better get started. I didn't learn speed exercises but I did learn scales and I learned to improvise with pretty much anything. I still didn't know many songs other than what I have known since the 70s but now I could play with most tunes. It made me really happy to learn, to acheive, and to just play for "me". I wrote songs and I've wanted to record them for years. I have a strong tendency to keep preparing but never get to the work... I am ready. Stand or fall. Good or bad... I am now semi-retired (well, mostly retired) and have started... you are right, it is hard but Bub... it isn't nearly as hard as it used to be when we had to break the bank to get a computer that wold sort of almost do what we wanted, needed a midi sync device, and on and on... and no matter what... it would (for me at least) end in such frustration that I would lay it aside for a few months or until I had sorgotten EVERYTHING I learned the last time I tried... then I would try again and experience the classic definition of insanity. I've hung out here, refused to let myself leave, read post after post, listened to songs, watched videos, and most importantly made friends whom I trust enough to let behind my wall... so yeah, time is running short but time isn't up!!
 
Thanks for this post... when I respond to something like this I put more pressure on myself to do something or be thought a fool... it may sound weird, but it works for me. I sometimes think I am just carrying on a family tradition... disfunction!
 
I cannot tell you how much you, Spacey, Danny, JB, Steve, Jules, Bapu, Alex, Sharke, Janet, Bubba, Beagle and just everyone... (I probably left out some who has been a huge help) have helped me by just being here. You never know what throwaway line is going to mean something to someone.
 
Old... eh.... just more pendantic roight?  Can I get an AMEN??
 

Amen! Great post J! I hope you get some time to do some of the things you mentioned. I'd love to hear them and for sure, you can count on me to help/advise or just listen. Glad you're here too, man. At the end of the day, we all help each other really. Looking forward to some music from ya now. :)

jbow

The hour is getting late Spacey. This is my last chance to do something about it because of my age, but it's sooooo hard.

My sentiments exactly.... sometimes it borders on despair. I just turned 61 and I don't have years of experience to fall back on.... but I am getting it done. I've always been very pragmatic about things.. you know, don't do anything until you have absolutely have to but then do it right... or it could be that I am just a procrastinator, however... I prefer to believe the former, that way I still have hope. In the 90s I realized if I was ever going to be anything other than a guitar strummer... I better get started. I didn't learn speed exercises but I did learn scales and I learned to improvise with pretty much anything. I still didn't know many songs other than what I have known since the 70s but now I could play with most tunes. It made me really happy to learn, to acheive, and to just play for "me". I wrote songs and I've wanted to record them for years. I have a strong tendency to keep preparing but never get to the work... I am ready. Stand or fall. Good or bad... I am now semi-retired (well, mostly retired) and have started... you are right, it is hard but Bub... it isn't nearly as hard as it used to be when we had to break the bank to get a computer that wold sort of almost do what we wanted, needed a midi sync device, and on and on... and no matter what... it would (for me at least) end in such frustration that I would lay it aside for a few months or until I had sorgotten EVERYTHING I learned the last time I tried... then I would try again and experience the classic definition of insanity. I've hung out here, refused to let myself leave, read post after post, listened to songs, watched videos, and most importantly made friends whom I trust enough to let behind my wall... so yeah, time is running short but time isn't up!!
 
Thanks for this post... when I respond to something like this I put more pressure on myself to do something or be thought a fool... it may sound weird, but it works for me. I sometimes think I am just carrying on a family tradition... disfunction!
 
I cannot tell you how much you, Spacey, Danny, JB, Steve, Jules, Bapu, Alex, Sharke, Janet, Bubba, Beagle and just everyone... (I probably left out some who has been a huge help) have helped me by just being here. You never know what throwaway line is going to mean something to someone.
 
Old... eh.... just more pendantic roight?  Can I get an AMEN??

Thanks jbow. I feel the same way about everyone here.

I'm the same way. I prepare and prepare and prepare to do something, and never do it. A doctor told me one time it's a form of compulsive disorder. Some people prepare to do things, and if the situation isn't absolutely perfect in their mind, they won't even attempt it. I'm that way with almost everything. Some see it as being lazy, but that's really not the case. I would love nothing more than to attempt to build a guitar like Spacey, or start my own business doing something with music. A small studio, or something like that. But there's always some small little thing I latch on to that's just not quite right, and I never follow through or attempt it.

What triggered it with me was when I quit my job, and a little while later I got laid off at the job I went to. It pretty much destroyed me. I know I come off rough around the edges some times, but I am quite fragile in reality. When I left my job, I had been there for 10 years, I was the #2 ranked employee in a 3 state district, and they didn't even ask me why I was leaving. I probably would have stayed if I had gotten though for a split second that they gave a crap. Then the place I went to lied to me about so many things, and when I called them on it, they fired me. It destroyed me, and I've been coming here regularly ever since. Even my wife has seen what it did to me and has pretty much said I don't ever have to go back again. She does want me to do something to help contribute, but she's not pushing me to go back to what I used to do. She's actually encouraging me and supporting me to try and do something from home and I'm so thankful.

This place, this company, and the people here have helped me in so many ways that I couldn't and shouldn't even explain, I could never thank all of you enough.

I have some kind of mental disorder where I get totally and utterly obsessed with something for a few weeks and then one day wake up and I can't do it anymore and I have to move onto something else. My dad has the same thing, and it's reflected in his life history. He's been a panel beater, a mechanic, a house builder, worked in education and sat on committees, worked in stores, the lot. 

On top of that, I find it very hard to concentrate long enough to learn something methodically. I think part of it is a little ADD, a touch of dyslexia and maybe something to do with the tinnitus I've had for years that doesn't bother me unless it's really really quiet (i.e the ideal study conditions...lol). So I've always learned stuff very haphazardly and inconsistently. But you learn how to adapt to your shortcomings and achieve stuff regardless. Like a couple of years ago I managed to teach myself how to program in C to the point of writing myself some useful software, by reading a book in 5 minute snippets on the subway every day. Then of course I get excited and think I could do something bigger with it, and I get obsessed, but then mental disorder #1 kicks in and I can't do it any more.

Thankfully my love for and interest in music has pretty much remained solid over the years, I'll never get bored of that. If you love something enough you'll just get on with it. I've played guitar since I was 14 and been through every style - metal, blues, rock, indie, folk, classical. A few years ago I managed to teach myself to read music and was sight reading (and playing!) Bach fugues in no time. Again the obsession kicked in, and left me after a year or so, but that's OK because I didn't lose interest in guitar, I just drifted into something new, but took the sight reading and classical technique with me. And this new interest in electronic music production, well that's being stoked by my lifelong love of computers and technology, combined with music. It's the ideal combination. And I think it's going to stick with me...I have my ups and downs where I can't touch it for a while, or get distracted by other things, or get thoroughly disillusioned about a track I'm working on and can't face it...but I always come back to it in time with fresh ears and a desire to roll my sleeves up. 

This forum helps immensely. Even when I can't face the DAW I still read the forum, and it keeps my interest in Sonar and music production going. It inspires me to learn new stuff (in my haphazard way) and I bookmark links and interesting threads for later. I've browsed a few music forums in my time but this is by far the best. For all the bad feeling that sometimes occurs, I just get the feeling that people here are more mature and more able to deal with any issues that members might have with each other. On a lot of other forums I look at, it's like everyone has this HUGE ego and is more interested in showcasing their knowledge and patronizing anyone who's less experienced, and the snark is strong. There are some extremely experienced and knowledgeable people here but they come across like they genuinely want to help instead of just impressing you. I still don't know if I'm going to stick at Sonar (hopefully it'll evolve into something more stable for me) or try another DAW. If I do go down another path, I know I'll miss this forum.