They could always insist upon a Facebook login. Like it or not, Facebook accounts are becoming a form of online identification. It's not perfect, but it's better than the "enter some BS email address and the contents of this Captcha" method that's bred millions of online trolls. The reason is because Facebook takes the issue of multiple accounts very seriously and is continually developing new ways to detect and delete them. They have a good motive: duplicate accounts negatively impact their advertising efforts. If someone reports a possible multiple account to them, they'll delete it immediately if it looks genuine (by whatever standards they use to identify duplicate accounts). 

Since the authenticity of accounts is very important to Facebook, other websites can thus take advantage of this by incorporating Facebook login functionality. It's not watertight, but it's 100x more reliable than random email accounts.

There's another method this forum could use: all new registrations have to be confirmed by entering a code that the forum software sends to your phone. I think this is better than a Facebook login. Not everyone has a Facebook account, but everyone has a phone, and nobody's going to go out and buy a new phone just to open a new forum account. 

bitflipper

...nothing but words

Hold on there. I like words. I've been known to use dozens of them, sometimes hundreds throughout the course of a day. 

"PerniciousPete" is a current favorite.

YEAH!!!!!

Mike I think the "registered user' was in the sense that the forum would have a place for those that had purchased the software to log-in. That would give them a place with sub-forums without interference from trolls.
It would still have the forum for trolls and those that may just need a little help or inquire about the software they're thinking of purchasing.  I really like that.

Think you Charlie Roy. I really like to try and have some ideas to correct a problem(s) if I'm going to mention them. Don't mean it has to be the right one but at least I'm trying. In this case I'm just elaborating on one that I read.

You, Steve and Jon....man you guys can write and one can put on their thinking cap or move along LOL.  (just first to come to mind...there's more of you word wizards out there....James)

Sharke...it seems that many here would like to see something done. I hope the ones that can help are listening to us. We're trying to improve life as we know it. Nothing wrong with that.

sharke


They could always insist upon a Facebook login. Like it or not, Facebook accounts are becoming a form of online identification. It's not perfect, but it's better than the "enter some BS email address and the contents of this Captcha" method that's bred millions of online trolls. The reason is because Facebook takes the issue of multiple accounts very seriously and is continually developing new ways to detect and delete them. They have a good motive: duplicate accounts negatively impact their advertising efforts. If someone reports a possible multiple account to them, they'll delete it immediately if it looks genuine (by whatever standards they use to identify duplicate accounts). 

Since the authenticity of accounts is very important to Facebook, other websites can thus take advantage of this by incorporating Facebook login functionality. It's not watertight, but it's 100x more reliable than random email accounts.

There's another method this forum could use: all new registrations have to be confirmed by entering a code that the forum software sends to your phone. I think this is better than a Facebook login. Not everyone has a Facebook account, but everyone has a phone, and nobody's going to go out and buy a new phone just to open a new forum account. 

First off I have to confess that I don't know what this thread is about really, or more accurately what led to it being posted, but please don't even go there with the link to FB idea. Terrible call that.  There is something very bad about FB imho and I find it increasingly disturbing to see the number of things that you can't do these days without going to FB and logging on first.
 
Also, here in the UK I saw a TV ad the other night for Andrex (toilet paper for those who don't know) asking for people to go on FB and tell them how you wipe your arse !! WTF ???
 
Absolutely beyond belief, really.
 
Personal opinions about the FB disease aside, the best way to deal with any forum troublemakers is to just ignore them. This is the only forum that I participate in, but if I had to give out personal info in order to do so, then I would just not do it. Not because I am hiding beyond a false persona, but because of my concerns about what happens to all that information.
 
It's particularly sad that given that the internet gives us all the opportunity to present ourselves as any personality we may choose, that so many choose obnoxious arsehole, but there ya go, that's people for ya. If you can't ignore them, just laugh at them. It's just the internet and none of it really matters.
 
Making those that do participate in the intended manner jump through hoops in order to be able to do so is just giving the idiots the pleasure of knowing that they got under your skin. I couldn't really care how many kitchen sales threads or whatever get put up, cos I just don't look at them.

Good post Paulo, and I agree completely.

I read somebody suggesting the forum should have a log-in for registered users. It was a way to filter out those that may be just inquiring about the software and trolls.

I've always said this.
The argument I got was what if someone is actually interested in purchasing a Cake product and has a few questions?

It's not that people not registered couldn't read the forums, they just cant post.
 
Yet another good reason for Cakewalk to have a toll-free number for consumer inquires AND tech support.


I find it hard to believe that it's 2013 and there are still big corporations like Cakewalk/Roland that don't have toll-free numbers for their product.


Just my 2 pence.


Mike  

paulo


 the best way to deal with any forum troublemakers is to just ignore them. .

That has been said here, on this form of Cakes for over 15 years that I'm aware of.
 
The problem is that it isn't a within reason statement for the current forum parameters- the problem is that it will never happen.
 
The only solution is for the "house" to be locked and one has to have a "key" (software purchase proof) to get in.
Then the troublemakers will be confined,  branded and well known by all and probably then ignored.
 
Until then...I look for this place to continue just as it's track record indicates.
Wordy know it alls that offer nothing to support their claims, trolls, troublemakers and  police....the ones that try to control and explain control.
 
 
 
 
 
 

I think all we really need is a little more moderation. Or probably more accurately, what we need is swifter moderation - getting junk removed and wrists slapped before threads descend into open warfare.

I know they've said before that they don't have the manpower to maintain a permanent presence on the forums, but how about appointing a couple of volunteer co-opted users to help out with the load. That wouldn't be to give such volunteers the same power as a Cakewalk employee, but as an example, what if all the 'Spam' reports were sent to them? There's really no judgement required there, so a user could easily sweep through the forums and delete all that crap as required.

Anything more serious or contentious would still be dealt with by Cake Admins and Mods. Or maybe you could have the user mods receiving all reported posts, and then those could be triaged into those that urgently needed Cakewalk attention.

Daveny5 would get my vote.

Seriously.

Oh boy, would I keep him busy
 
New kitchen anyone
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 

paulo

sharke


They could always insist upon a Facebook login. Like it or not, Facebook accounts are becoming a form of online identification. It's not perfect, but it's better than the "enter some BS email address and the contents of this Captcha" method that's bred millions of online trolls. The reason is because Facebook takes the issue of multiple accounts very seriously and is continually developing new ways to detect and delete them. They have a good motive: duplicate accounts negatively impact their advertising efforts. If someone reports a possible multiple account to them, they'll delete it immediately if it looks genuine (by whatever standards they use to identify duplicate accounts). 

Since the authenticity of accounts is very important to Facebook, other websites can thus take advantage of this by incorporating Facebook login functionality. It's not watertight, but it's 100x more reliable than random email accounts.

There's another method this forum could use: all new registrations have to be confirmed by entering a code that the forum software sends to your phone. I think this is better than a Facebook login. Not everyone has a Facebook account, but everyone has a phone, and nobody's going to go out and buy a new phone just to open a new forum account. 

First off I have to confess that I don't know what this thread is about really, or more accurately what led to it being posted, but please don't even go there with the link to FB idea. Terrible call that.  There is something very bad about FB imho and I find it increasingly disturbing to see the number of things that you can't do these days without going to FB and logging on first.
 
Also, here in the UK I saw a TV ad the other night for Andrex (toilet paper for those who don't know) asking for people to go on FB and tell them how you wipe your arse !! WTF ???
 
Absolutely beyond belief, really.
 
Personal opinions about the FB disease aside, the best way to deal with any forum troublemakers is to just ignore them. This is the only forum that I participate in, but if I had to give out personal info in order to do so, then I would just not do it. Not because I am hiding beyond a false persona, but because of my concerns about what happens to all that information.
 
It's particularly sad that given that the internet gives us all the opportunity to present ourselves as any personality we may choose, that so many choose obnoxious arsehole, but there ya go, that's people for ya. If you can't ignore them, just laugh at them. It's just the internet and none of it really matters.
 
Making those that do participate in the intended manner jump through hoops in order to be able to do so is just giving the idiots the pleasure of knowing that they got under your skin. I couldn't really care how many kitchen sales threads or whatever get put up, cos I just don't look at them.

Facebook isn't the evil some people say it is. It's only as intrusive to the extent that you ask it to be. You don't have to give it your telephone number, your address or even your real date of birth. And if you do choose to give it that, you can make it private. If you're not an everyday Facebook user and you don't have an account yet, there is absolutely nothing wrong with opening a Facebook account for the sole purpose of using it for logins and commenting on blogs etc. You don't even have to upload an avatar. The only thing you're obliged to give Facebook is your email address, and let's face it most people have a separate non-personal email address that they use for forum logins and other assorted online BS. The advantage with using Facebook logins is, like I said, that Facebook goes to great lengths to make sure that individuals don't have multiple accounts. So in using Facebook logins on your site, you're essentially taking advantage of the work that Facebook does in that respect. 


It's become trendy to bash Facebook for privacy issues, but let's face it, the only people who have privacy issues are those who don't take the responsibility to set the appropriate privacy levels on their accounts, and those who put all of their personal info in their profiles. You don't have to put any of that info in your profile. I can't believe how many people put their telephone number in their Facebook profile. Are they looking for strangers to call them? Crazy. 

SteveStrummerUK


I think all we really need is a little more moderation. Or probably more accurately, what we need is swifter moderation - getting junk removed and wrists slapped before threads descend into open warfare.

I know they've said before that they don't have the manpower to maintain a permanent presence on the forums, but how about appointing a couple of volunteer co-opted users to help out with the load. That wouldn't be to give such volunteers the same power as a Cakewalk employee, but as an example, what if all the 'Spam' reports were sent to them? There's really no judgement required there, so a user could easily sweep through the forums and delete all that crap as required.

Anything more serious or contentious would still be dealt with by Cake Admins and Mods. Or maybe you could have the user mods receiving all reported posts, and then those could be triaged into those that urgently needed Cakewalk attention.

Daveny5 would get my vote.

Seriously.

Oh boy, would I keep him busy
 
New kitchen anyone
 
 
 

Having volunteer admins is an excellent idea, there are many forums which do this. They could base admin qualification on post count....


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