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2013/02/07 20:25:20
musicroom
Jonbouy


jb101


Jonbouy


Here's my favourite post on forum culture currently.
 
It's actually much sadder than the picture Craigs mild humour has managed to convey.
 
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/why-all-that-whinging-online-is-counterproductive/0109111?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mcvuk%2Fstream+%28MCV%3A+Home+Stream%29
 
The subsequent posting here has kind of confirmed it yet again.
 
Forums everywhere are eating themselves alive.
 
So score points y'all over what you think my intent has been here.  Unlike the invitation I offered Craig for a response, you guys don't even bother with such niceties, well I just dangled my foot in the pirhana pool so just make up your minds to suit your good selves and feast away.
 
You watch though the world will still be spinnin' tomorrow just the way it did today.
 
That's about how important how all this dramatic stuff that happens here is.  Someone just called ME deluded...lol.
Bless your heart, you answered my question, anyway.  Thank you for your swift response.
 
I agree with you that the world will still be spinning tomorrow, even after Craig's post, too.  I find your reaction to Craig's post a little oversensitive.
 
There does seem to be a certain paranoia and martyr syndrome prevalent in the forum at the moment.  I am sure it will pass.
 
I felt Craig's list had a ring of truth to it.  I will certainly be sharing it with students and colleagues, regardless of what DAW they use.  They will either find it funny, or not.  I suspect they won't take it personally, though.

Did I?
 
Where did that bit happen again? 
 
You guys seem to be better experts than me on what I write so show me.
 
btw Craigs list has more than a ring of truth about it, it was just thought it was a bit limp not that it wasn't accurate.  I did say that was IMO though.  Given that it was posted 'in the light of the spate of recent threads'  I still think it was untimely and hugely insulting to those that have been trying to point out issues within that recent spate being referred to in the OP.
 
Again like the other one it's a thread that would have been better off in the appropiate forum and we could all have a chuckle (or not).  Guaranteed anyone else who'd posted that here and it would have been flushed down the U bend into the CH by now.
 
I'm also confident that if Craig has issue with anything that I've put there as being unfair he's more than capable of putting me straight without the need for all the ladies-in-waiting intervening on his behalf.
 
And why John has bothered to quote my post there is beyond me, perhaps he's judging people by his own standards because he knows full well that I don't come back and edit my posts after the event, even when some folk would prefer that I did at times.

Can we get back to making fun of ourselves for a bit?? That was enlightening for most of us.
2013/02/07 20:28:11
John
I assure you sir I am no lady! Waiting or other wise. 
2013/02/07 21:09:23
jsg
And here's another look at why someone should pause before switching DAWS (it's like getting a divorce!)
 
http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=9865
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 
2013/02/07 22:34:52
stratman70
Jonbouy


Here's my favourite post on forum culture currently.
 
It's actually much sadder than the picture Craigs mild humour has managed to convey.
 
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/why-all-that-whinging-online-is-counterproductive/0109111?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mcvuk%2Fstream+%28MCV%3A+Home+Stream%29
 
The subsequent posting here has kind of confirmed it yet again.
 
Forums everywhere are eating themselves alive.
 
So score points y'all over what you think my intent has been here.  Unlike the invitation I offered Craig for a response, you guys don't even bother with such niceties, well I just dangled my foot in the pirhana pool so just make up your minds to suit your good selves and feast away.
 
You watch though the world will still be spinnin' tomorrow just the way it did today.
 
That's about how important how all this dramatic stuff that happens here is.  Someone just called ME deluded...lol.
You have done nothing but try to rationilze your OP. Believe it or not the words you use in a sentence have a specific meaning and tend to define themselves by the content of the sentence in which they are used.
 
You said - what you said - the way you said it. Period. Done. It was rude and uncalled for.
 
You cannot make a joke of it and all of a sudden it means something else. Well, actually you and BW can I guess. Big joke.
2013/02/07 22:45:57
Bub
Well, honestly, what did he expect starting a thread like that with the atmosphere here lately? What Craig did was no better than what some of you are claiming Jonbouy did. It was akin to dumping gas on a house fire that was almost out.

There's a large group of people having serious problems with this software that are beyond the normal 'oh this is an annoying glitch, I'll work around that' realm. Venture down to the Coffee House ... there's a very telling thread there right now. I was actually shocked to see some of the long time members here who are still on 8.5 because of the problems. And it just goes to show that, while some people stay silent and don't get as passionate as others, there is still an entire group of people out there are seeing this that we've never heard from.

I think some folks are getting tired of the constant denial of their legitimate problems when they come to this forum and are tired of getting laughed at, and it's probably going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

I sure hope that the next patch heals a lot of wounds and focuses on more compatibility for everyone, not just a select few systems.
2013/02/07 22:47:17
Bub
jsg

And here's another look at why someone should pause before switching DAWS (it's like getting a divorce!)
 
http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=9865
Interesting, I hadn't heard that Sonar was coming out for Mac.

I wonder if it will be up to Mac's legendary stability level?
2013/02/08 00:03:30
Anderton
Jonbouy

So your fun chart there might have been posted as light relief but I consider it to be hugely insulting to many of those here that are clearly having serious issues and yet are having trouble being heard among such things as the glibness you've just posted, not as harmful as some of the personal stuff that gets thrown at people because they dare mention can't get the software to do enough of what it is supposed to do I grant you but unhelpful just the same.
 
Oh, and someone really had to point out to you that an article that you'd written had actually been posted online?
 
Unbelievable.
 
Not only that the humour is pretty lame IMO, you want a good belly laugh I'd suggest spending half an hour in the Coffee House.  It might be at your own expense mind you but if you ain't too prissy about that kind of thing I guarantee you'll have yourself a few laughs among some really gifted comedians...  
 
 
That was written long before the Great Cakewalk Customer Blow-Up. Instead of assuming it was directed as mockery of Cakewalk users having issues, which is wasn't, you can assume it was all about poking fun at internet forums and people who are disconnected from reality, which it was. If you didn't catch the reductio ad absurdum of the various examples, I'll try to make it more obvious next time. One person summarized Craig's List perfectly: "The whole point of Craig's List is to create something that's funny yet snarky, just to be a smart-ass." Bingo!

Craig's List has made fun of magazine reviewers, toxic Christmas music, marketing cliches, recording sessions, totally pointless internet forum arguments, politicians and how they relate to music, over the top self-promotion, and more. Sometimes it's snarky, sometimes it's dark, sometimes it's light. The next CL restores Balance in the Force by making fun of software manufacturers - I translate five examples of marketing-speak into English. (Of course, each manufacturer thinks I'm talking about them, just as you projected what I said to be directed to the people on this forum having problems.)

For the record: I don't make fun of people who have problems; I make fun of people who are disconnected from reality. My posts have made it extremely clear that I have nothing but sympathy for all those having problems with their hardware or software, regardless of manufacturer, because I've been there many times before. And given how much stuff I review, probably more times than any of them. I know how much it sucks.

But, I apologize for trying to add some levity into this currently negative ecosystem, and promise to be more serious in the future. Watch for my next blockbuster thread, "The correlation between Monsanto's terminator seed and the suicide of farmers in India." Which is actually vastly more important than the quality or lack thereof of staff view in Sonar...but I digress.

As to not knowing when something's published online, it's not even remotely unbelievable (although that kind of comment, as well as some others from you, do provide useful insights into the lens through which you see the world). After I write something, especially if it was months ago, it's done. Over. Down the memory hole. I don't think about it again unless other people bring it up. I was just at a NAMM show, and lots of people stopped me to say how much they enjoyed Craig's List, with the most common comment being "It's the first thing I read in the mag." So when I was told the one about forum DAW silliness was online, I thought y'all might find the humor in it. Apparently most people did.

Now, about Monsanto.
2013/02/08 00:05:57
digi2ns
digi2ns


LOL Just in time.  

I really try to avoid the negative threads, but ya know sometimes ya accidentally get caught in one.  (It is possible to get snagged when Trolling is going on )

Dang Trebble Hooks  

I did like and completely agree with the article and appreciate Craigs timely posting of it.


Im one of the believers that every computer/system is different and has to be tweaked to each individual DAW software to get to the point that it will operate for the user to a level that is reliable.  I havent seen many that have gotten away with just loading Sonar, ProTools, Cubase, what ever and not had to make some sort of adjustments.


Its just how it is unless you have the exact system and settings they designed and tested the software on.


Again, thanks for the laugh Craig, I got a kick out of it and thought the intent was in "Good Taste"    
2013/02/08 00:19:27
Anderton
Bub


Well, honestly, what did he expect starting a thread like that with the atmosphere here lately?

I was expecting people who spend a lot of time on internet forums to relate to poking fun at the people who really believe the kind of absurdist statements expressed in that column. It never occurred to me that anyone here actually believes the kind of over-the-top statements I wrote, and would therefore think I was talking about those people.

For the record, that column was inspired by visits in the Steinberg and RME forums. I've always felt this forum was far more about users helping other users...most of the time.


I never trivialize people who are having genuine problems that are based in reality. My main mode of operation in this forum is to look for someone asking a question which has 0 responses, open it, and see if I can help. BECAUSE I take people's problems seriously, I've been able to help a lot of users solve their problems and enjoy their tools, not just on this forum by any means but on several forums.

However, just as I have a lot of time for helping people with legit problems, I have very little patience for those who really think that the grass is always greener on the other side. It isn't. Most of the time it's just a different shade of green.

2013/02/08 03:12:53
John
I am finding it hard to say what I am thinking because I am thing way too many things. 

The best way for me to sum it up simply is that I have learned a great many things from Mr. Anderton through years. What he has given me is far and away greater than what I am able to pay back. He has done it freely. He has been on this forum supporting the membership with both good humor and great advice. Nothing that has been posted by him lately is nothing but a celebration of this forum and its membership.

We are extremely lucky to have him on this forum. 

One last point is he has been a very nice guy to all of us. Even now after this ridiculous mess  brought on by others, he is taking it with grace.


 

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