pbognar

SvenArne


I don't like the vibe of this place the last couple of weeks. When did a [Cakewalk] last reply to a thread in here? It's too early in the cycle to be preparing for some big release (when they usually go quiet). 

What's going on? Any conspiracy theories? 

Sven

Well, Ryan Munnis posted into and locked the godparticle thread...


http://forum.cakewalk.com...;m=2771236&mpage=8


I'm glad he didn't delete it though.  Even though it got nasty, there were tidbits of good information in there.

I hope they are feverishly working on a hotfix for people experiencing real problems or X2b.

Pretty classy response from, and kudos to, Ryan.  Just the kind of down to earth mentality I've come to love about the folks at Cakewalk.


Best,
guitardood

John


The only thing posters like Mr. Particle do is distract us from those posts that are legitimate and could use our help. They also have a very negative impact on those of us trying to figure out the truth from fiction.

It doesn't help when posters that do have problems agree with very vague and unspecified issues that may in fact have nothing to do with the stability of X2. Often its user error but its hard to tell if we inundate a thread with vague agreements with vague issues. 

In my experience those threads that focus on a single issue get solve or a bug gets reported.

What threads that just bash X2 do is confuse the forum an get members taking sides. Highly unproductive.

What can we members do to help fix this problem? My answer is read the OP an if its a bashing of X2 with no issue clearly specified we should just bypass it. Let it go. By us trying to engage with trolls all we do is cause conflict. 

To me everyone here is a friend not counting the trolls.  But the trolls are very few and come in packets. Greet them with a happy and friendly demeanor but don't engage. This is all they want.

I believe that X2a is a very good release but I also believe it still has bugs. I believe we should all pull together and do what this forum is best at. Which is finding solutions and helping each other.  

Obviously this post is just me speaking. None of you are required to agree with it at all. I do however hope that you do agree. 

Just a word regarding X2a.


Today, I received my Friday afternoon email from Cakewalk ( I was hoping that X2b was being announced, but no such luck).


Not much interesting in the email, so I decided to re-read the Noel's X2a blog from 12/21/12.


A couple of things which are probably obvious to most, but were refreshed in my mind:

- In the blog - "We shipped SONAR X2a, our brand new Windows 8 native version of SONAR. This was exhaustively tested with Windows 8..."

- On the main Sonar X2 Producer page, under System Requirements:  "Windows 7 or Windows 8 (32 and 64-bit). XP and Vista are no longer officially supported. Future updates will not be compatible or install on XP and Vista as they are no longer officially supported."

So X2a is the first update to X2 which IS NOT COMPATIBLE with XP nor Vista.

Obviously there is some coding departure with this update.  Could this be the one of the reasons that X2a is just fine for some users but not others?  

Did the code changes as part of the update make X2 more sensitive to Windows or certain hardware (graphics cards)?

Just a thought.

pbognar

So X2a is the first update to X2 which IS NOT COMPATIBLE with XP nor Vista.

Obviously there is some coding departure with this update.  Could this be the one of the reasons that X2a is just fine for some users but not others?  

Did the code changes as part of the update make X2 more sensitive to Windows or certain hardware (graphics cards)?

Just a thought.

Sorry to sound like a broken record but the deal with this is probably the lack of availability of the latest MS Runtime Libraries on those platforms.


Best,
guitardood

pbognar

John


The only thing posters like Mr. Particle do is distract us from those posts that are legitimate and could use our help. They also have a very negative impact on those of us trying to figure out the truth from fiction.

It doesn't help when posters that do have problems agree with very vague and unspecified issues that may in fact have nothing to do with the stability of X2. Often its user error but its hard to tell if we inundate a thread with vague agreements with vague issues. 

In my experience those threads that focus on a single issue get solve or a bug gets reported.

What threads that just bash X2 do is confuse the forum an get members taking sides. Highly unproductive.

What can we members do to help fix this problem? My answer is read the OP an if its a bashing of X2 with no issue clearly specified we should just bypass it. Let it go. By us trying to engage with trolls all we do is cause conflict. 

To me everyone here is a friend not counting the trolls.  But the trolls are very few and come in packets. Greet them with a happy and friendly demeanor but don't engage. This is all they want.

I believe that X2a is a very good release but I also believe it still has bugs. I believe we should all pull together and do what this forum is best at. Which is finding solutions and helping each other.  

Obviously this post is just me speaking. None of you are required to agree with it at all. I do however hope that you do agree. 

Just a word regarding X2a.


Today, I received my Friday afternoon email from Cakewalk ( I was hoping that X2b was being announced, but no such luck).


Not much interesting in the email, so I decided to re-read the Noel's X2a blog from 12/21/12.


A couple of things which are probably obvious to most, but were refreshed in my mind:

- In the blog - "We shipped SONAR X2a, our brand new Windows 8 native version of SONAR. This was exhaustively tested with Windows 8..."

- On the main Sonar X2 Producer page, under System Requirements:  "Windows 7 or Windows 8 (32 and 64-bit). XP and Vista are no longer officially supported. Future updates will not be compatible or install on XP and Vista as they are no longer officially supported."

So X2a is the first update to X2 which IS NOT COMPATIBLE with XP nor Vista.

Obviously there is some coding departure with this update.  Could this be the one of the reasons that X2a is just fine for some users but not others?  

Did the code changes as part of the update make X2 more sensitive to Windows or certain hardware (graphics cards)?

Just a thought.

As Guitardood said its because CW uses libs from MS that wont install on XP for the A patch. They are not sure about Vista. They are sure about Windows 7 and 8.  The A patch is for fixing some bugs but is also for making X2 completely compatible with Windows 8. It supports touch as implemented in Windows 8. CW knew about Windows 8 and were prepared for it. But this meant XP support would be dropped and Vista was not going to be tested. 

Whether this was a wise decision or not still remains a question. But those that got themselves set for 8 should have fewer problems. X2a is a good release but its not perfect yet.  

guitardood

pbognar

So X2a is the first update to X2 which IS NOT COMPATIBLE with XP nor Vista.

Obviously there is some coding departure with this update.  Could this be the one of the reasons that X2a is just fine for some users but not others?  

Did the code changes as part of the update make X2 more sensitive to Windows or certain hardware (graphics cards)?

Just a thought.

Sorry to sound like a broken record but the deal with this is probably the lack of availability of the latest MS Runtime Libraries on those platforms.


Best,
guitardood

No problem.  I must have lost the plot.  I was under the impression that each install or update of Sonar came with the Runtime Libraries which were used to to develop what was being installed or updated, and that problems only surfaced if another app installed older or newer Libraries.


Would I need to know which version of the Libraries are required and install them myself, or is it just a matter of being vigilant such that no older or newer Library is installed?

pbognar

guitardood

pbognar

So X2a is the first update to X2 which IS NOT COMPATIBLE with XP nor Vista.

Obviously there is some coding departure with this update.  Could this be the one of the reasons that X2a is just fine for some users but not others?  

Did the code changes as part of the update make X2 more sensitive to Windows or certain hardware (graphics cards)?

Just a thought.

Sorry to sound like a broken record but the deal with this is probably the lack of availability of the latest MS Runtime Libraries on those platforms.


Best,
guitardood

No problem.  I must have lost the plot.  I was under the impression that each install or update of Sonar came with the Runtime Libraries which were used to to develop what was being installed or updated, and that problems only surfaced if another app installed older or newer Libraries.


Would I need to know which version of the Libraries are required and install them myself, or is it just a matter of being vigilant such that no older or newer Library is installed?

Vigilance is sometimes a good albeit time consuming thing.   For me, I purposely keep my OS drive small (100gb or less) and any time I install any application (including bug-fix releases) on my DAW system, I create a full disk image (Acronis, Ghost, Clonezilla) of the boot/OS drive so that if all else fails I could restore that image and have a fully functioning system sans the new software.  That's why sometimes I'll have an install-day where I'll make a backup and then install any updates and new apps I've gathered.  I know it sounds a bit extreme.  In my experience, the time spent waiting for a backup is far less than the time spent reinstalling everything from scratch.

Best,
guitardood

We are investigating what is going on. I'm moving this to the coffee house, nothing personal.

backwoods


Out of interest Craigb- what sort of effect do the competitors stalls have on a company at NAMM. Are they discussed in post convention debriefs? 

Craigb is not only out of interest, but capital too!
 
(I'm guessing you were asking another Craigb - ITTRN - but, now that this fred is down here in the Coffee House, these things require silly replies and dumb looks. )