Karyn

sharke

tobiaslindahl

sharke

tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap. 
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ. 

You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?

Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too. 

I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated." 

That's like saying every painting is "paintbrush generated"

Not with this crowd, Karyn.  They use crayons!  

craigb

Karyn

sharke

tobiaslindahl

sharke

tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap. 
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ. 

You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?

Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too. 

I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated." 

That's like saying every painting is "paintbrush generated"

Not with this crowd, Karyn.  They use eat crayons!  

 
FIFY

sharke

Karyn
 
Not with this crowd, Karyn.  They use eat crayons!  

 
FIFY

But only the good old school kind made with lead and asbestos.

 
Actually, I find this much uglier .....
 

 
 
 
Missed the point much 

I can imagine Shane McGowan in a drunk tank on Christmas Eve.
 
 
 
 
 
I'm now imagining Ed Sheeran submerged in the water tank of an abbatoir on the outskirts of Cromarty.
 
 
On a Friday evening.
 
 
At the start of a Bank Holiday weekend.

Wait, I thought we were talking about ugly people.  That was interesting.

sharke

Karyn

sharke

tobiaslindahl

sharke

tobiaslindahl
Yea, because music is ALL to do with visuals.
There is no hope for music going forward. The only road I see is more computer generated crap and product. The age of so called "real" music is gone. Not saying everything was better back in the day, but at least it was, to some extent, honest. These days you can't tell the difference between a comercial and a song ... it is all bland crap. 
I don't mid though, there is enough good stuff to last a lifetime, but there is no place for real music from here on and anyone thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. American Idol ... jesus christ. 

You do realize everything you do in Sonar is "computer generated" though, right?

Absolutely, I never claimed to be a true musical genius or anything. I am just playing around. Listening to most of the stuff produced, so is the vast majority of other people too. 

I didn't mean you in particular (I have no idea what kind of music you produce), what I meant was, everything we do in a digital audio workstation is "computer generated." 

That's like saying every painting is "paintbrush generated"

Right, which is on the same level of ridiculousness as dismissing MIDI/synth based music as being "computer generated." Look at some of the art being created using programs such as Adobe Illustrator. There are some truly stunning examples of artistic brilliance, and yet the artists behind them are using algorithmic tools in the program to lay their work out, draw straight lines and curves, apply fills and textures, rotate and resize elements. And yet it still takes immense artistic skill to use these tools to create things with artistic merit. This kind of art is often dismissed by the older generation as being "computer generated," but really, you cannot even begin to create such work with a program like Illustrator unless you have an artistic eye and the skills to use those tools to artistic effect. At the end of the day, what is the difference between someone drawing a perfect circle in Illustrator and someone drawing a perfect circle with a compass? Or using a ruler to draw a straight line? They're just tools, after all. 

I would agree that they are just different tools but there is an inherent ease in doing some work in Illustrator than doing it by hand. For example, pointillism can now be done in a split second with a plugin whereas in the past it would take many hours of painstaking work with an artists eye. It does not take any real talent to apply a plugin. Likewise, would a Rothko be as valuable if it were done in Photoshop in about 3 minutes? (just as an example as I think Rothko's shtuff is highly overrated)
 
I guess it depends on what you consider an acceptable style. A lay person can now drag pre-recorded clips onto a timeline and release it to the world. Does that make them a musician and their work art? Or, are the just polluting the public ear and effectively breaking down any previous standards of talent and good music?

On the other hand, there are many people out there who have everything going for them - I've seen many genuinely talented classical pianists or opera singers who happen to be gorgeous.
 
It's usually not aa much of a prerequisite to make a career as a classical musician - although I suppose that good looking fellows do tend to get the lead roles. But talent is still required.
 
Similarly, in pop, Elvis who has been mentioned earlier was a lot more than just a pretty face. Of course, nowadays, his looks would be sufficient to build a career.

Sir Elton aint a bad looker if you stand 100metres away and squint crosseyed.........