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sharke

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Since it's 32bit only, I wonder if I can Rewire it in to Sonar and use all my 32bit VST's?

Why don't you do that with Reaper? I used to rewire 32-bit Reaper into Pro Tools and it worked great. 

Unless I missed something in rewire docs, doesn't rewire only account for sending midi to the rewired guest and receiving audio back?  It would be nice to have a DAW-ignorant protocol that was able to send audio to be processed and receive the processed audio back.  AFAIK, Wormhole is one of the only plugs offering this capability but it is only available in VST format.

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guitardood

I'm not sure how it all works. I've never been able to figure out that ReWire stuff.

One interesting thing I discovered this morning, while I was taking a break from arguing (LOL), is ... while you have Sonar running a 32bit VST ... start Windows Task Manager and right-click on 'Bitbridge.exe *32'. You'll have all the options to set it to run in Admin Mode, and Compatibility mode as well. So if it does crash, maybe setting it to XP Compatibility mode would help. I set it to run in Admin Mode, but I only have 2 or 3 VST's that run in Bitbridge.

Hope this helps somebody, but I doubt it, being buried in this mass grave. LOL!

guitardood

Unless I missed something in rewire docs, doesn't rewire only account for sending midi to the rewired guest and receiving audio back? 

This is exactly what you'd want for that purpose. For instance, I much preferred the GUI, workflow and mixing capabilities of Pro Tools than Reaper. But Pro Tools was choking on my VSTi's, for reasons that included it only being 32-bit. So I ReWired Reaper to Pro Tools. All of my MIDI tracking and mixing was done in Pro Tools. Reaper hosted the VSTi's. So Pro Tools sent the MIDI to Reaper, which fed it into the VSTi's, and the resulting audio was sent back to Pro Tools for mixing. Worked like a charm. 


The only thing is that I think you have to match the bits, i.e. both versions have to be either 64-bit or 32-bit. It would be nice if that wasn't the case but I think it is. However, one of the limitations of 32-bit is that programs can only address a certain amount of memory. But if you have two 32-bit programs working to the same end, you have access to twice as much memory.

sharke
The only thing is that I think you have to match the bits, i.e. both versions have to be either 64-bit or 32-bit. It would be nice if that wasn't the case but I think it is. However, one of the limitations of 32-bit is that programs can only address a certain amount of memory. But if you have two 32-bit programs working to the same end, you have access to twice as much memory.

You are correct - unless you use something like this -  Rewire VST 
It's cheap. I used to wrap Project 5 (32 bit Rewire Slave) in Bitbridge/JBridge in earlier versions of SONAR. Worked well at the time. Been a while since I have tried something like this. In essence if you have a 32 bit rewire app you have to have, it'll wrap it as a (32 bit) VSTi.

this thread demonstrates, if needed, that "chacun voit midi à sa porte"

godparticle


Truth is that you simply wouldn't be a dope for using Reaper or Studio One or Mixcraft, those DAW's don't fu_k with your mix every day and get in the way of putting out the goods. But using Sonar, well hey, enjoy the incessant bugs and anomalies that just keep popping up day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, upgrade after upgrade, decade after decade. HULLOOOOO? Biff this sh_t until cakewalk stops taking you for a ride people, how long are you gonna let them keep yanking your chain. Clearly, going by Sonar's track-record for the last decade Cakewalk needs a new head-programmer and a proper team of coders who know what the hell they are doing. No DAW on the planet has the disgusting track-record that Sonar has, and continues to have. If i owned Cakewalk I would have sent the head-programmer out the door years ago, he's a total dud, and has amply proven that he's an amateur.  

I currently have a song running 19 individual softsynths each on their own track, plus 18 audio tracks, plus tonnes of realtime midi, and over 120 effects ALL RUNNING IN REALTIME STRAIGHT OFF THE CPU WITH NO CRACKS OR POPS AND AT ZERO LATENCY, and still my CPU IS ONLY AT 21%. NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL A PROFESSIONAL DAW. Oh hang-on, i forgot, we are fu_kwits for not doing a 5 year diploma in Windows configuration and hardware research LOL, you guys and your 2 cent come-backs are just a sad lot. The facts show that Sonar is a lemon, plain and simple, it has been from the start, and just keeps getting worse, but Mixcraft has shown itself to be a reliable competent full-fledged Pro DAW, which only costs $149 i might add; I don't need to use a multi-fader console, i make dance music with high-end analog-emulation software plugins and a midi controller, and all's good here.

And obviously as you can see by the KeyBoard magazine review, i ain't talking sh_t. 

I go over to groove 3 for a few weeks and come back to this? WOW....I found this whole thread entertaining so I decided to go back to grove 3 and look for a tutorial on Mixcraft ....looking ......looking ....I mean version 7 they must need tutorials that explains how to use a profesional DAW like Mixcraft right? looking ......... looking .........hmmmmm. 


there is a bunch of pro tool videos. there are some reaper ones there are some cubase. oh look a few studio one videos....wow look at all the Sonar videos. detailed videos of instruction. hmm still looking for that professional DAW Mixcraft video. oh look, there is a fruity loops video...nope don't see it.


Well the next step is to go to the Mixcraft website look what it says.


"Recording yourself for the first time may seem daunting - but it doesn't have to be. If you want to record vocals, guitar, or other musical instrument with your computer or MIDI then you'll need an audio interface. An audio interface is the hub between your audio source & Mixcraft." I just thought that was very...ummm instructional.


http://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft/studio-gear.htm


Well then the next step is to look at the features of Mixcraft. oh look a feature comparison chart. Voxengo Amp Simulator, Voxengo Spectrum Analyzer, Shred Amp Simulator, Broadcast Mulitband Compressor, all the classic Kjaerhus effects. There are a lot of older plug-ins that are included that just happens to be freeware.  anyone can download those vst plugs for free. That is one reason Mixcraft is so cheap. but look if I pay more money i can get even more freeware. Oh joys of excitement fill my bowels!


http://www.acoustica.com/.xcraft/compare.htm 


I'm sorry Sonar has not worked for you. Did you buy the full version or did you buy essentails. Just wondering. What version did you use? I don't have the problems you seem to think everyone is having. I guess i must be in that 25 percent catagory. I am not saying people don't have problems and Sonar is not perfect. I do think you are talking sh_t as you say. Why else would you be here? If there was no entertainment value for you would be gone. While I don't doubt you have issues I don't think all of them are with Sonar! 


Football fans don't take this the wrong way but mixcraft Fanbois are worse then Some of the Dallas cowboy fans I run into!

chacun voit midi à sa porte

"To Each His Own!"   oui?

Marcus Curtis

godparticle


Truth is that you simply wouldn't be a dope for using Reaper or Studio One or Mixcraft, those DAW's don't fu_k with your mix every day and get in the way of putting out the goods. But using Sonar, well hey, enjoy the incessant bugs and anomalies that just keep popping up day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, upgrade after upgrade, decade after decade. HULLOOOOO? Biff this sh_t until cakewalk stops taking you for a ride people, how long are you gonna let them keep yanking your chain. Clearly, going by Sonar's track-record for the last decade Cakewalk needs a new head-programmer and a proper team of coders who know what the hell they are doing. No DAW on the planet has the disgusting track-record that Sonar has, and continues to have. If i owned Cakewalk I would have sent the head-programmer out the door years ago, he's a total dud, and has amply proven that he's an amateur.  

I currently have a song running 19 individual softsynths each on their own track, plus 18 audio tracks, plus tonnes of realtime midi, and over 120 effects ALL RUNNING IN REALTIME STRAIGHT OFF THE CPU WITH NO CRACKS OR POPS AND AT ZERO LATENCY, and still my CPU IS ONLY AT 21%. NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL A PROFESSIONAL DAW. Oh hang-on, i forgot, we are fu_kwits for not doing a 5 year diploma in Windows configuration and hardware research LOL, you guys and your 2 cent come-backs are just a sad lot. The facts show that Sonar is a lemon, plain and simple, it has been from the start, and just keeps getting worse, but Mixcraft has shown itself to be a reliable competent full-fledged Pro DAW, which only costs $149 i might add; I don't need to use a multi-fader console, i make dance music with high-end analog-emulation software plugins and a midi controller, and all's good here.

And obviously as you can see by the KeyBoard magazine review, i ain't talking sh_t. 

I go over to groove 3 for a few weeks and come back to this? WOW....I found this whole thread entertaining so I decided to go back to grove 3 and look for a tutorial on Mixcraft ....looking ......looking ....I mean version 7 they must need tutorials that explains how to use a profesional DAW like Mixcraft right? looking ......... looking .........hmmmmm. 


there is a bunch of pro tool videos. there are some reaper ones there are some cubase. oh look a few studio one videos....wow look at all the Sonar videos. detailed videos of instruction. hmm still looking for that professional DAW Mixcraft video. oh look, there is a fruity loops video...nope don't see it.


Well the next step is to go to the Mixcraft website look what it says.


"Recording yourself for the first time may seem daunting - but it doesn't have to be. If you want to record vocals, guitar, or other musical instrument with your computer or MIDI then you'll need an audio interface. An audio interface is the hub between your audio source & Mixcraft." I just thought that was very...ummm instructional.


http://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft/studio-gear.htm


Well then the next step is to look at the features of Mixcraft. oh look a feature comparison chart. Voxengo Amp Simulator, Voxengo Spectrum Analyzer, Shred Amp Simulator, Broadcast Mulitband Compressor, all the classic Kjaerhus effects. There are a lot of older plug-ins that are included that just happens to be freeware.  anyone can download those vst plugs for free. That is one reason Mixcraft is so cheap. but look if I pay more money i can get even more freeware. Oh joys of excitement fill my bowels!


http://www.acoustica.com/.xcraft/compare.htm 


I'm sorry Sonar has not worked for you. Did you buy the full version or did you buy essentails. Just wondering. What version did you use? I don't have the problems you seem to think everyone is having. I guess i must be in that 25 percent catagory. I am not saying people don't have problems and Sonar is not perfect. I do think you are talking sh_t as you say. Why else would you be here? If there was no entertainment value for you would be gone. While I don't doubt you have issues I don't think all of them are with Sonar! 


Football fans don't take this the wrong way but mixcraft Fanbois are worse then Some of the Dallas cowboy fans I run into!

Marcus you need to stay around here and keep things in perspective for us all. That post was brilliant! 

  I even agree with you about the Dallas Cowboys point. They sure aren't my team. I'm a Detroit Lions fan, need I say more?  

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