It also seems to be 32 bit only. 

sharke

Don't think we'll hear any more from him after I asked him for links to his work. I'd like to be proven wrong.

How would you know it was his if he did post anything? All that stuff sounds the same anyway.

Since it's 32bit only, I wonder if I can Rewire it in to Sonar and use all my 32bit VST's?

Bub


Since it's 32bit only, I wonder if I can Rewire it in to Sonar and use all my 32bit VST's?

Why don't you do that with Reaper? I used to rewire 32-bit Reaper into Pro Tools and it worked great. 

sharke


He has something of a point, although perhaps expressed in a style that would be suited more to a teenage argument about Justin Bieber on YouTube. 

I mean I quite like Sonar, at least I'm sticking with it for the time being, because I've made an investment (both time and money) in the software and I certainly can't afford to be writing off hundreds of dollars and spending more hundreds on another DAW right now. I certainly like it a whole lot better than Pro Tools, which was far less stable for me and couldn't even run a moderate sized VSTi based project without throwing up errors all the time. 

However, if you asked me whether I'd drop $400 again on Sonar if I could go back in time, I'd probably say no. It's not that I don't think that Sonar doesn't have the potential to be the best DAW in the world, because it does. It's just that it doesn't feel like a $400 piece of software. There are too many sloppy design flaws, inconsistencies and plain oddities for that. Hell, I get pissed with the design flaws and bugs in Microsoft Outlook, and that only cost me $100. I can turn the other cheek when dealing with freeware, but these days when you shell out this much for software you just expect it to be so much more polished and stable. Sonar, to me, feels very much like it's still in beta. 

A small example of that was when I posted a while ago about automation for PC FX chain off/on not working unless the ProChannel in question was actually open in the console (or selected in the Inspector), and someone from Cakewalk (Noel?) said that they were aware of the issue, but that it was just too much of an issue to fix, and that fixing it would break other things. This is, I have to say, inexcusable. I have also suffered the same problem with the automation of the arpeggiator's off/on. It wouldn't work unless the track in question was actually selected. This is beyond a bug, it's the selling of an unfinished product that has been shipped part way through its development phase. Perhaps this didn't bother me too much because I'm still a bedroom hobbyist - but if I'd built a commercial studio around Sonar, I would be as mad as hell. 

Yes there are workarounds and hacks to some of these problems, but they are major productiveness killers and leave a bad taste in your mouth when you're using a piece of software you've invested a lot of money in. 

It just seems a bit odd that if you buy hardware that is faulty or doesn't work as advertised, you are entitled to a refund. If you buy software that gives you the same kind of problems, there is no recourse. I really don't know why. 

Anyway I'm not one to moan and complain about Sonar on a daily basis - for me it's performing quite well, a huge step up from Pro Tools, and I am enjoying making music with it. Do I think it's worth what they charge for it? Definitely not. I'd expect a far more polished product for this kind of money. 

To the OP, you're obviously going to come across as a bit of a dick with the tone you're taking. To be honest it's a tone I hear very often from arrogant 20-something EDM producers who are eager to prove themselves. You say you are making tunes that are rocking the clubs, well how about putting your money where your mouth is and posting links to some of these tunes so we can judge for ourselves. Otherwise we're just going to presume that you're full of it. 

+1
Thanks for posting Sharke! Took the words right out of my mouth and saved me time. 


I like Sonar and has been really good for me on my machine in specs. Don't worry about crashes etc. I'm lazy so don't feel like posing tons of examples. But since Sonar 7 there seems to be a real lack in polishing things implemented in Sonar. One example is control surface support. After upgrading from Sonar 4 to 7 my control surface no longer works as expected. I can work around it but why should I have to. I worked with Willy Jones, cakewalk help desk back then, who confirmed the issues and passed them on to developement. He confirmed with me that it would not be fixed in Sonar 8. It's a black hole now so I just gave up hope. Again, like Sonar but this is just one example where things I feel like Sonar needs some serious polishing instead of just moving on. 


Ok 2 more, staff view and track lanes. Do I need staff view? No! But what they had since pro audio 9 was adequate just needed TLC over the years. Why are we in the predicament that were in now where others daws seem to have surpassed cakewalk notation by far. And track lanes to me was reinventing the wheel and still falls short to what is in logic. In fact both staff view and comping seem way behind and convoluted compared to what logic has to offer. 

But yeah, I'de like to hear some music by original thread starter. I mean if your gonna talk the talk...

sharke

Bub

Since it's 32bit only, I wonder if I can Rewire it in to Sonar and use all my 32bit VST's?

Why don't you do that with Reaper? I used to rewire 32-bit Reaper into Pro Tools and it worked great.

Wow! Ya know, I never thought of that.

You've given me another one of those "Aah Haa!" moments!

Thanks!

:)

Bub

sharke

Bub

Since it's 32bit only, I wonder if I can Rewire it in to Sonar and use all my 32bit VST's?

Why don't you do that with Reaper? I used to rewire 32-bit Reaper into Pro Tools and it worked great.

Wow! Ya know, I never thought of that.

You've given me another one of those "Aah Haa!" moments!

Thanks!

:)

I'm pretty sure if you followed one of the YouTube Reaper->ProTools tutorials you'd be able to suss it out for Sonar, if there isn't a Sonar specific video already. It was just a case of selecting the correct ReWire MIDI/audio inputs in both programs, then configuring the routing matrix thingy in Reaper. 

godparticle


Oh really CakeAlexS, and yet my rowing boat just tore your battleship to shreds; to many kinks and navigation potholes in that battleship of yours by the looks of it.

stevec if you think Mixcraft doesn't have PDC then you need glasses. And tell me who uses a controller for anything other than the active track, 1% of musicians? Thought so.

there is a reason Mindcraft is only 75 dollars...uhm,,i mean mixcraft.
its a shab.hows automation? except moving a fader up/down.
or autosnap ?how's that ?
you get what you pay for,if mindcraft,i mean mixcraft was so awesome why is it only 75 bucks,150 megabytes,and there biggest customer is you?
thats not saying much,
your just insulting everyone in this forum because they happen to prefer sonar.
ive tried alot of DAW's.sonar is the best in my opinion.
and X2 is very stable here.
your figures about 25% of people seem to be the only ones with no problems ?
that only those who visit this forum,and 25% ? seriously.
no way.theres maybe 5 tops a week that go off on a rant like you are now.
 
keep in mind you dont have to use sonar or this forum?
you dont have to post here anymore if you dont wish.

I suspect less than 1% of people who use Sonar post here.
Anyway GodParticle clearly IS the self proclaimed expert of everything (God is all seeing), we clearly know nothing... Good luck to him in life, ...  and the afterlife. I'm sure his music will live on forever in peoples hearts..