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2013/02/04 18:13:54
Splat
Ah well Cheer up, God.
 
You know what they say: some things in life are bad. They can really make you mad. Other things just make you swear and curse. When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble; give a whistle, and this'll help things turn out for the best. And... always look on the bright side of life...
 
Or install a new sound card or play World or Warcraft.
2013/02/04 18:14:58
Chregg
right c'mon now settle down on the edm talk here, we're all not like that, its just those young kids out there who dont have a fecking clue wat they are talking about
2013/02/04 18:22:32
Pragi
Hi godparticular,
you think to have a good sense for carnival jokes and the most of us 
are not aware, that it´s carnival season.
Many of us have really thought,you´re a ....ocksmoker,
but you are  trying hard to be funny.

Have fun !









2013/02/04 18:25:01
WDI


 In response to pbognar:

I'm due. Just haven't upgraded my computer yet and therefore Sonar. It's been a great build as far as stability. And it's just a hobby and we've been mostly using a tascam msr24.


I've recently done a couple projects in Sonar 7 and it was fine. I got a little frustrated with Cakewalk during Sonar 7, nothing too major but nothings really pulled me in since. I mean there some things about X2 I like. All the soft synth stuff and looping is cool but I've learned I never really use the stuff. Like matrix view looks cool. But I don't really need it. Automation overhaul is welcome and the lanes may be cool. 


Comping upgrade is important buy not really sold on the new implementation. I mean for comping you don't need all the features of a track in each lane like automation. Looks more like track folders. Needs to be very simple for comping and that's it. I think it's tacky to mention other software on cake forum but at the same time look at how logic does it. http://www.youtube.com/wa...e=youtube_gdata_player 


Extremy simple but yet powerful. Im always asked when comping try this, now go back to the other one. Etc. that is a good comping tool that lets you do that. Plus I've seen in other videos where mouse over plays only that take. Thet is soo much easier than using solo/mute. 




Seems like cakewalk doesn't polish off some of thier features lately and pay attention to all the details. 

Then there is things like staff view. Seems like we are asking cakewalk too much if they have a feature, especially if they are going to use it in thier advertising, that it be good. Even cakewalk forum members argue against using resources to improve it. 

http://www.youtube.com/wa...e=youtube_gdata_player
So between this only being a hobby, using the tascam msr24 and not really sure what direction I want to go when I upgrade to a new computer, just haven't found the need to do so. 

2013/02/04 18:25:13
sharke
Right, the esteemed Billy Arnell was a producer of fine EDM and people here had nothing but praise for his character. It's an age/generational thing. Godparticle comes across as a very childish person who is too immature to conduct himself in an amiable manner. 
2013/02/04 18:29:22
stevec
RUNNING IN REALTIME STRAIGHT OFF THE CPU WITH NO CRACKS OR POPS AND AT ZERO LATENCY

 
Hehehehe...   sorry, there's nothing I could add to make it any better.   
 
2013/02/04 18:30:29
Rain
sharke


Just 19 soft synths? I regularly run 25+ without problems. Really don't know what your point is there. But anyway, we're still waiting for you to post links to some of your work. Why not do it? Because at the minute you're just another hot headed Internet kiddie who's posturing behind a computer keyboard. 

SvenArne, I also don't know what it is about EDM producers. I myself dabble in EDM and I never had the urge to parade myself like such a prick on an Internet forum. I think it's a combination of Generation-Y (notoriously diva-like, with grossly inflated unearned self esteem and a desperate need to be seen as "urban" and "edgy") and an excessive amount of testosterone. I'm betting he has an ongoing acne problem. 

I had my dark electro/twisted EBM period. I was using Sonar at that time. Though people would sometimes brag about how Reason was better, or Cubase or whatever, upon hearing the results, they usually shut up. The first thing an incompetent or uninspired individual will blame is his tools.


Likewise, someone who's inspired or a pro will make the tool do what he want. My brother in law's studio is still running an old 2004 Mac G4 and Pro Tools TDM 5.8 IIRC. It's actually funny to speak to someone who's so unaffected by the new this and that and, rightfully, totally confident in his own abilities and his rig. He can literally pull off anything with his set up, which at first sight, really isn't optimized for certain genres. 


And the truth is, the records I've heard coming out of his studio put 99% of what I've heard on the web to shame.

2013/02/04 18:36:41
pbognar
chuckebaby


pbognar


While the tone of the OP's diatribe is lacking, he has some points, which could have been make in a more acceptable manner:  
1)  It is noteworthy that some DAW software seems to be more forgiving of hardware configuration.
 
2)  Mixcraft is a great value for what it is... and it is not a "toy"
 
http://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft/pdf/Keyboard_Magazine_Review_Dec_2012.pdf
 
3)  The improvements from version 4 through 6 are quite remarkable
 
4)  They used a public beta program - smart move

it all depends on what kind of producing your doing,myself i look at it as a toy.
how would you compare it against sonar x2 ?
 
do you feel the flow is the same ?
just curious.maybe im missing something or are we really comparing mixcraft against x2.
 
the sizes are very different,200 mb for mixcraft.
6 gb for x2 and that minus the added content,thats only the basic package of the daw and plug ins.

If you read Craig Anderton's review, it is apparent that you can't compare Mixcraft to X2.  X2 has far more features (some which work some or most of the time). 
 
I suppose if what you are trying to accomplish can be done in Mixcraft, X2 could be frustrating, without taking a deep dive to learn it.  On top of that, when X2a has bugs (for some people) which could interrupt the musical flow - more frustration.
 
Just saying...
 
 
2013/02/04 18:52:49
pbognar
Rain


sharke


Just 19 soft synths? I regularly run 25+ without problems. Really don't know what your point is there. But anyway, we're still waiting for you to post links to some of your work. Why not do it? Because at the minute you're just another hot headed Internet kiddie who's posturing behind a computer keyboard. 

SvenArne, I also don't know what it is about EDM producers. I myself dabble in EDM and I never had the urge to parade myself like such a prick on an Internet forum. I think it's a combination of Generation-Y (notoriously diva-like, with grossly inflated unearned self esteem and a desperate need to be seen as "urban" and "edgy") and an excessive amount of testosterone. I'm betting he has an ongoing acne problem. 

I had my dark electro/twisted EBM period. I was using Sonar at that time. Though people would sometimes brag about how Reason was better, or Cubase or whatever, upon hearing the results, they usually shut up. The first thing an incompetent or uninspired individual will blame is his tools.


Likewise, someone who's inspired or a pro will make the tool do what he want. My brother in law's studio is still running an old 2004 Mac G4 and Pro Tools TDM 5.8 IIRC. It's actually funny to speak to someone who's so unaffected by the new this and that and, rightfully, totally confident in his own abilities and his rig. He can literally pull off anything with his set up, which at first sight, really isn't optimized for certain genres. 


And the truth is, the records I've heard coming out of his studio put 99% of what I've heard on the web to shame.

I admire those who don't get caught up with the "latest and greates", and just continue to crank out great music with what they have.
 
It comes down to a stable environment and knowing your tools inside and out.
2013/02/04 19:04:52
DigitalBoston
i just say to my self when my daw crashes( thats sonar fanboys)
 i love you sonar why wont you love me back.
you worse than my 6 year old tryin to get him to act normal for 20 min
 wish i could call tec support to complain about him
but sadly i learn to live with the bad to get to somekind of good
 where ever it lay
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