2017/12/15 02:33:16
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It's astounding
Time is fleeting
Madness, takes its toll
But listen closely..
(Not for very much longer)
'Cause Cakewalks, about to fold

I remember, using a workaround
Dreading, those moments when
The crashes would hit me
And the bugs would be calling

Let's use the workarounds again
Let's use the workarounds again

It's just 30 clicks to the left
And then 30 more to the right
With your hands on your head
You hold your breath real tight
But it's the quirks and the bugs
That really drives you insane

Let's use the workarounds again
Let's use the workarounds again

It's so flakey
Oh competitors take me
So you can give me
No crashes, not at all
In another dimension
With music making intention
Well coded invention, I can do all
With a bit of a DAW flip
You're onto a stable ship
And nothing, will ever be the same
You're spaced out on sensation
(Like you're under sedation)

Never need the workarounds again
Never need the workarounds again

Well I was just recording away
Having crashes all day
When another DAW gave me a better way
He shook-a me up, he took me by surprise
He had the best dam workflow and modern GUI
He shared with me and I felt a change
Dropouts meant nothing, never would again

Never need the workarounds again
Never need the workarounds again

It's just 30 clicks to the left
And then 30 more to the right
With your hands on your head
You hold your breath real tight
But it's the quirks and the bugs
That really drives you insane

Never need the workarounds again
Never need the workarounds again
2017/12/15 18:48:23
bapu
Bob Dylan you ent.
2017/12/15 19:31:11
slartabartfast
Does anyone have a good handle on how unreliable (not working as described or intended, workarounds and kludges aside) SONAR has been as opposed to competing DAWS? I have spent waaay too much time reading the SONAR forum to have any real perspective, since most of what we find there is fails and confusion.
2017/12/15 19:49:32
jamesg1213
slartabartfast
Does anyone have a good handle on how unreliable (not working as described or intended, workarounds and kludges aside) SONAR has been as opposed to competing DAWS? I have spent waaay too much time reading the SONAR forum to have any real perspective, since most of what we find there is fails and confusion.


 
I think that's almost impossible to evaluate, because people will blame software when it's a hardware or configuration issue, and many people 'don't know what they don't know', so they'll find a 'bug' when it's just lack of knowledge. Add to that the many and varied workflows of different genres and styles..blinkered fanboi-ism..hatred of Windows..hatred of Macs...
2017/12/15 20:21:40
Beepster
Get a grip, dood.
2017/12/15 20:39:29
ampfixer
You know Landslide it's guys like you that will get the forums shut down sooner than later. Why don't you piss off to your new home and stay there. You need a good shot upside your head.
2017/12/15 22:16:58
sharke
slartabartfast
Does anyone have a good handle on how unreliable (not working as described or intended, workarounds and kludges aside) SONAR has been as opposed to competing DAWS? I have spent waaay too much time reading the SONAR forum to have any real perspective, since most of what we find there is fails and confusion.




Actually ever since the fatal news from the other week, I guess my rose colored glasses have slipped a little and it's really begun to annoy me how dysfunctional Sonar is in practice. It might have something to do with the unconscious thought that these bugs will now remain baked into the program forever....
 
For instance, I've just been playing with some MIDI tonight and it struck me that no, Sonar's MIDI is not all people crack it up to be. Very unreliable during playback, especially if you're editing stuff on the fly. When you move a MIDI note, the change takes a second or two to kick in, which means that if the playhead reaches the new MIDI note before that delay has passed, Sonar will still play the old note. Now that's just crap. I was using the MIDI to trigger gestures in Stutter Edit, and it made experimentation with different gestures a complete nightmare. I think the bottom line is that Sonar does not really perform well during playback. Turning plugins on and off sometimes causes tracks to go out of sync with each other. Turning sends on during playback will make the audio on the bus go out of phase with the tracks. Changing a MIDI input or output during playback causes the audio to cut out briefly. 
 
And little things that have bugged me forever which NEVER got fixed even though I provided very clear bug reports, for instance enabling a loop causes automation to go out of sync with the track by a few beats, so that when playback returns to the start of the loop, automation envelopes from a few beats before the loop will trigger. 
 
In the past, I soldiered on through annoying bugs like this because I had this eternal hope that they would be fixed one day - now that I know they never will, they're beginning to really get on my nerves. I think half the problem was that people who use Sonar as a sort of glorified tape machine and have a very conventional workflow (from reading the forums, I think this is quite a large % of users) rarely experienced many of these bugs. But if you're the kind of person who experiments a lot with synths and routing and complex automation and sound design and what have you, Sonar starts to fall flat on its arse and other DAW's leave it in the dust. 
2017/12/15 22:52:16
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ampfixer
 
You know Landslide it's guys like you that will get the forums shut down sooner than later. Why don't you piss off to your new home and stay there. You need a good shot upside your head.




Well, simply because it's not my new home, been there for 2 and a half - 3 years, plus I am a SONAR Platinum Lifetime (oops) member, so I'll decline your generous offer, but do feel free to take it up yourself (you can take that 2 ways) I think the best thing for all would be to close this place down actually.
 
Well if we were in person, you could try the shot upside my head, although I think you'd find you would be in for a rude awakening internet tough guy.
 
Thanks for playing
2017/12/15 22:59:43
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bapu
 
Bob Dylan you ent.




 
Ain't that the truth
2017/12/15 23:05:45
paulo
Matron Landslide
bapu
 
Bob Dylan you ent.




 
Ain't that the truth




I'd consider that to be a compliment*
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
* As long as that is ok with Jamesg.
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