Mike, I'd like to lend my support to your position here.

The fact that some may be overly offended by things that others of us regard as innocuous is no reason ignore their sensibilities.

IMHO, it is disrespectful to our fellow members to post things we know to be offensive to them, just as it is disrespectful to take up subjects that are expressly against the TOS. If there is no particular need to post things some might find offensive, why do so here?

Now reality is that sometimes there will be borderline things posted and the borders may move over time. But I would hope that if I post something that someone finds offensive they would point it out to me so I can recalibrate my standards.

I can't imagine that I would feel overly deprived by being unable to post something potentially offensive to some here in our tiny corner of the interwebs.

The fact that some may be overly offended by things that others of us regard as innocuous is no reason ignore their sensibilities.
　
Absolutely; but at the same time some people are offended if you say hello to them.     :)
 
To all of us: LIGHTEN UP!
 

mike_mccue

Well I have received several private messages over the past few years stating this idea explicitly.

I will keep our correspondence private but I will say that these people did make public requests here at the forum and the requests have been ignored and you don't see them around very much anymore.

I do not have a observation about anything you have posted Bub.

I admit, I don't read every thread here. Well, lately I do because there are so few, but for the longest time when Bapu was posting, they went so fast that I didn't read them all unless the subject line caught my attention. (Side note: I long for those days again and I'm saddened that it's not like that any more. Those quick posts and humor were the reason I started coming here.)

All that said, I only ever recall someone being called out here in public once for something offensive, and it was me. And I was banned for it, even though I apologized and removed the post, which I still don't understand, but what the heck, no sense crying over spilled milk.

If someone PM'd you and didn't address it with the person that actually offended them, then it's their own fault. We all have a right to be here, and if we are offended by something, we should address it with the person offending them. Not go crying to someone else and let it fester.

This has not been the same place for quite some time now. I keep coming here hoping it will get back to what it was, but I think it's too late. It's pretty clear it's not going to be the same place it was.

Gotta go stare out the window until the wife gets home. Makes for long days I tells ya.

tom1


The fact that some may be overly offended by things that others of us regard as innocuous is no reason ignore their sensibilities.

Absolutely; but at the same time some people are offended if you say hello to them.     :)
 
To all of us: LIGHTEN UP!
 

Exactly, in fact I question the whole motive behind feeling "offense" in the first place. I can understand it when someone launches a personal attack on another person, but it's this "group offense" that I question. People who feel offended on behalf of some tribe or group that they belong to. You hear "offensive to women" often enough, but never "offensive to men." Why is that? Are men hard wired to feel less offense? Or is it that the motive for feeling offended is, more often than not, the hope to gain some kind of political currency or moral upper hand from that offense? There is no political currency to be gained by men who feel that something is offensive to men, so they don't bother expressing it. 

I've always enjoyed your presence here Bub and I can assure that I wasn't making some stealth commentary about anyone in particular. 


I like what Tom just said too.



:-)

sharke

tom1


The fact that some may be overly offended by things that others of us regard as innocuous is no reason ignore their sensibilities.

Absolutely; but at the same time some people are offended if you say hello to them.     :)

To all of us: LIGHTEN UP!

Exactly, in fact I question the whole motive behind feeling "offense" in the first place. I can understand it when someone launches a personal attack on another person, but it's this "group offense" that I question. People who feel offended on behalf of some tribe or group that they belong to. You hear "offensive to women" often enough, but never "offensive to men." Why is that? Are men hard wired to feel less offense? Or is it that the motive for feeling offended is, more often than not, the hope to gain some kind of political currency or moral upper hand from that offense? There is no political currency to be gained by men who feel that something is offensive to men, so they don't bother expressing it. 

I'd like to point out that this exactly WHY all members, or at least most, of a community should strive to offer gentle feedback.


There shouldn't be a need to single a person out and profer suspicions that the observation of bad behavior is motivated by self aggrandizement.


If more people voiced small and gentle opinions when they see the type of actions that we know offend some then there would be no need to dramatize an agenda for the few that do take the time to stop and say "no... that's not polite".


It's just basic good old fashioned golden rule decency.






The rationalizations you have offered and the questions you pose serve no purpose but to further misunderstanding... it is a really simple issue.








Having had the acquaintance of the widest variety of men that I think you could imagine I can tell you that it has been my observation that gentlemen have no hesitation in expressing a recognition of an offense when it serves a greater good.






best regards,
mike
















 

mike_mccue

 

I'd like to point out that this exactly WHY all members, or at least most, of a community should strive to offer gentle feedback.


There shouldn't be a need to single a person out and profer su****ions that the observation of bad behavior is motivated by self aggrandizement.


If more people voiced small and gentle opinions when they see the type of actions that we know offend some then there would be no need to dramatize an agenda for the few that do take the time to stop and say "no... that's not polite".


It's just basic good old fashioned golden rule decency.


The rationalizations you have offered and the questions you pose serve no purpose but to further misunderstanding... it is a really simple issue.


Having had the acquaintance of the widest variety of men that I think you could imagine I can tell you that it has been my observation that gentlemen have no hesitation in expressing a recognition of an offense when it serves a greater good.

The hypocrisy in this post is absolutely laughable, or it would be if it didn't come from somebody as blind to their own liabilities as you constantly seem to be.
 
I certainly find it offensive that someone that can ridicule and villify others in order to look smarter than them and even when that fact is pointed out discreetly out of the public gaze chooses to continue with that behaviour, should then carry on like he is himself exempt from basic decency, that simple golden rule mentioned here.  Self-aggrandizement seems to me to be behind your entire MO.
 
I've made no secret since then Mike that you are some kind of fraud when it comes to the conduct of others and I pretty much don't care for your over-blown sense of self, the way you hide behind sarcasm when you talk down to people, that basically you are not a person that I care for much at all.
 
I tolerate all members of a society that I choose to take part in though, sometimes despite their quirks sometimes because of them, some do and say what I don't like, the important thing is that I don't join in with the stuff I find beneath me, and if it is that far off base then I must question why I'm here not why anyone else is.
 
Pity all those fine folk you speak so highly of there that some of their character never actually rubbed off on you.
 
Oh, and was it you that told me to 'FO' the other day when I returned to the forum after being a little poorly.  Ah yes I do believe it was.
 
So whilst you can probably applaud yourself for not posting puerile pictures that look like genetalia, you certainly can do a good impression even without the pictorial content which I suspect that others could find equally distasteful.
 
Good times.

"Having had the acquaintance of the widest variety of men that I think you could imagine I can tell you that it has been my observation that gentlemen have no hesitation in expressing a recognition of an offense when it serves a greater good."
 
 
I don't care what anyone says...that there's funny.
 

 

Bub


If someone PM'd you and didn't address it with the person that actually offended them, then it's their own fault. We all have a right to be here, and if we are offended by something, we should address it with the person offending them. Not go crying to someone else and let it fester.

This has not been the same place for quite some time now. I keep coming here hoping it will get back to what it was, but I think it's too late. It's pretty clear it's not going to be the same place it was.

Gotta go stare out the window until the wife gets home. Makes for long days I tells ya.

I'm so with you here Bub, wasn't it a previous intervention of the moral police that killed off all the free flowing wit and repartee that used to constantly buzz around this place?

yorolpal


"Having had the acquaintance of the widest variety of men that I think you could imagine I can tell you that it has been my observation that gentlemen have no hesitation in expressing a recognition of an offense when it serves a greater good."
 
 
I don't care what anyone says...that there's funny.
 

 

It sure provoked a strong reaction from my funny bone...I near fell of this dern chair.
 
 
That's why I don't like banishment or imposed restraint, it eliminates any of the REAL good extemporay stuff.
 
 
Each of us ought tend to our own album I say.