I think I heard that none of the questionables were voted for (talking about the baseball Hall of Fame that is).

Yup, and pretty much the rest of the worlds. The American track and field  phenomena i just one other example of the same thing. When the whole world saw Armstrong as a criminal cheat the American publics responce was that the whole thing was a huge conspiration. Everything Armstrong has done publicly since battling cancer is based on a lie.

ampfixer

SwedishPete


He's a cheat like most American athlets. USA is todays East Germany when it comes to doping.

B*ll*hit. That's just you opinion.

It was nice to finally hear what so many of us have known as the truth spoken once and for all and to hear the admission that all of the witch hunt legal actions against his accusers have been just that.


Now cycling can begin to move on wards.

This was a long time coming.


Thanks Oprah.




best regards,
mike

Did he admit to pedalling?

SteveStrummerUK


Did he admit to pedalling?

I didn't watch but what difference does it make? He is a liar so there
is no reason to listen to anything he says.

Say it Ain't So

He's trying to tell the truth now.

It really seems like he's figured it out.

At one point he explained to Oprah that he sincerely did not realize how angry most of his doubters had become. 

I can imagine that the fanfare and hero worship could have made it easy to become deluded and not realize how sincere the people who couldn't stand with the lies would feel about the subject.

Ir really seems like he's figured it out.... he even mentioned that at some point he realized that his kids were having to lie the lie as well... and that he finally realized that just telling it all as the wide open truth is the only pathway to rescue anything that he may hope to have for the remainder of his life.




I felt proud for him as I watched him come clean.

He was a phenomenal bicycle rider... he just made some really horrible mistakes and now he is paying for it. 

When Nike canceled him last week it cost 75 million dollars.

He's figuring stuff out and he says he realizes that not everyone is going to be able to forgive him. He knows he did some horrible stuff to some people. He seems to know that all he has left is an opportunity to tell the truth and let the truth be what it is.

I hope people give him a chance to make the best of it.


best regards,
mike

SwedishPete


Yup, and pretty much the rest of the worlds. The American track and field  phenomena i just one other example of the same thing. When the whole world saw Armstrong as a criminal cheat the American publics responce was that the whole thing was a huge conspiration. Everything Armstrong has done publicly since battling cancer is based on a lie.

ampfixer

SwedishPete


He's a cheat like most American athlets. USA is todays East Germany when it comes to doping.

B*ll*hit. That's just you opinion.

The former Soviet Union with it's female weightlifters...back in the 1960's and 1970's. 


Everyone was in on it.


It even has become something of an issue on the amateur level now.


Sigh....

This is where the amateurs learn how to shop for *jet fuel*.

The ubiquity of these stores suggests how popular the interest in *jet fuel* has become amongst amateur athletes.



When we were kids we used to think stopping at the produce stand for an orange and a banana was stocking up on *jet fuel*. 


Times have changed... the new drag and drop healthy is different from the old work for it healthy.  












best regards,
mike

mike_mccue


He's trying to tell the truth now.

It really seems like he's figured it out.

At one point he explained to Oprah that he sincerely did not realize how angry most of his doubters had become. 

I can imagine that the fanfare and hero worship could have made it easy to become deluded and not realize how sincere the people who couldn't stand with the lies would feel about the subject.

Ir really seems like he's figured it out.... he even mentioned that at some point he realized that his kids were having to lie the lie as well... and that he finally realized that just telling it all as the wide open truth is the only pathway to rescue anything that he may hope to have for the remainder of his life.




I felt proud for him as I watched him come clean.

He was a phenomenal bicycle rider... he just made some really horrible mistakes and now he is paying for it. 

When Nike canceled him last week it cost 75 million dollars.

He's figuring stuff out and he says he realizes that not everyone is going to be able to forgive him. He knows he did some horrible stuff to some people. He seems to know that all he has left is an opportunity to tell the truth and let the truth be what it is.

I hope people give him a chance to make the best of it.


best regards,
mike

Proud of him? Here's what it would take for me to feel even remotely proud. Give back every single dime he ever got from sponsors. Pay back every single dime one of his many accusers had to spend to defend themselves from his pack of lawyers that tried to sue them for telling the truth. Admit he was the ring leader that required his team mates to use PED's in order to be on his team. Pay back every dime one of his accusers lost in income after he effectively ran them from the sport.


Start with that. Then we can start talking about the lie that he quit using PED's in 05, when in fact, irrefutable evidence shows he used in 09-10.


Figured it out? Yeah, he figured out he got caught.






Randy