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2013/05/15 18:10:33
LaryMary
chuckebaby


LordElpus


As an aside to this thread/discussion.  This months Custom PC magazine ran an article about how much RAM we actually need.  Admittedly it wasn't a test using a DAW and plug-ins, but, even running some of the most recent and graphics intensive games, they concluded you only need 8GB of Ram and any more is wasted.

totally agree Gary.
I follow a lot of gamers articles and even gamers threads.
they really put there computers through hi intense features such as video and cpu strength's.
im not a gamer at all but when it comes down to it, we are in the same boat pretty much :)
 
even this article is something along the lines you were referencing.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=4529847
 
as always good point sir.

Good article - they even mention the same article in Custom PC Magazine that I read.


"Star Wars: The Old Republic" - awesome website - is that something you play Charlie Roy?

I have decided to upgrade the graphics on my desktop as I want to improve the graphics for Flight Simulator - not for the DAW obviously - I don't play other games although that Star Wars one looks interesting!

Just for info, in case anyone else needs advice on building their own DAW, I have found out that if I need to upgrade the desktop machine with a better processor etc. then the top of the line AMD FX8350 Black Edition 8 Core Processor (4.0/4.2 GHz) will plug straight in to my existing Asus motherboard.  One chap I read even reckons he has overclocked the CPU to 5GHz, and the mobo is rated for 32GB RAM !!

Amazon UK have the same mobo, part built with FX8350 CPU & 32GB Ram for £394.95 (approx $600 US) What a bargain and what a DAW that would be!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-FX-8350-Vishera-Core-4-0GHz/dp/B00A39CVRI/ref=sr_1_fkmr3_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1368653306&sr=8-2-fkmr3&keywords=AMD+FX8350+Black+Edition+8+Core+Processor+%284.0%2F4.2GHz%2C+8MB+Level+3+Cache%2C+8MB+Level+2+Cache%2C+Socket+AM3%2B%2C+125W%2C



Only thing to be mindful of is power consumption and ensuring the power supply is suitable.

2014/02/25 14:04:35
makaze
chuckebaby are you still around. I would like to undertake a similar AMD build for a cheep daw (my needs are very small) and would like your support through the process. I can't private message yet.
Background. Sort of got into needing a DAW as I need to make backing tracks for myself and a few mates. Some from scratch and some editing existing ones. I have bought Sonar Studio but finally accepted my pc wont cut it and it's too old to invest in. So I'm liking the idea on a small DAW. I have been trying to get an idea of what's out there and think I have a plan, which I would like to share for feedback. I haven't watch the youtube vid's yet but I'm confident I can build one (I have built several tube amps).
Can I fire away?
I have ditched the M-audio card and will be buying a new interface as it's too big and complex for my needs.
2014/02/25 16:57:07
jcschild
well I have to comment on this one.
 
AMD is not the best choice. does it work? is it fine? yes
is it the best spent money ? NO.
$ for $ intel eats AMD all day long.
if $50-$100 makes or breaks you from having a new system then AMD may be your best option
and at the risk of sounding rude maybe you need a different hobby if so.
all other items in the system will be identical.
that leave motherboard and processor.
 
a good quality AMD board is pretty much the same price as a good quality Intel board
so really it comes down to processor.
for $100 more you can be nearly 2 times the power. and far better memory bandwidth.
 
the only saving grace to the AMD system is using older PCI cards.
 
 
 
 
2014/02/25 18:45:26
mixmkr
Scott...your site is causing my AVG to go bonkers and says it is blocking a threat.  I am not able to get to your site as well
2014/02/26 04:14:53
makaze
jcschild
well I have to comment on this one.
 
AMD is not the best choice. does it work? is it fine? yes
is it the best spent money ? NO.
$ for $ intel eats AMD all day long.
if $50-$100 makes or breaks you from having a new system then AMD may be your best option
and at the risk of sounding rude maybe you need a different hobby if so.
all other items in the system will be identical.
that leave motherboard and processor.
 
a good quality AMD board is pretty much the same price as a good quality Intel board
so really it comes down to processor.
for $100 more you can be nearly 2 times the power. and far better memory bandwidth.
 
the only saving grace to the AMD system is using older PCI cards.
 
 
 
 


I have read too many horror stories about cheap power supplies and coolers, so I am not gonna skimp there. I want to go mATX and that has highlighted (as you say) that only old boards are available for the AMD 3+. Whereas Ausu do a modern mATX board for the intels. That adds £50 to the build, that's fine.
The AMD is £100, I can only find an i7 4770k for £235. Were you refering to another i7 or i5 processor suitable for a daw given my demands will be quite low?
 
Thanks for your input.
 
2014/02/26 12:01:40
jcschild
mixmkr
Scott...your site is causing my AVG to go bonkers and says it is blocking a threat.  I am not able to get to your site as well


disable the av
mixmkr
Scott...your site is causing my AVG to go bonkers and says it is blocking a threat.  I am not able to get to your site as well


disable avg firewall its that not my site


2014/02/26 12:04:39
jcschild
Makaze
I am sure the amd would be fine for your need.  4570/4670 would be fine as well
2014/02/26 13:34:00
wst3
it is the support for PCI cards that has me on the fence. For quite a while it has been apparent that Intel provides more bang for the buck, especially in terms of memory bandwidth. As Scott points out, we have reached a point where the processor is once again the key decision, motherboards are made for all chip families by almost all board manufacturers. It will be interesting to watch the SATA 6GB/s race, but that's still not a deal maker or breaker.
 
Memory has become a commodity, as have disk drives...
 
So for me it becomes do I want to preserve my Frontier Design Dakota for one more machine, or switch to a new audio interface. And if I do switch now I have to compare PCIe vs Thunderbolt (which is PCIe), vs USB(2/3) vs (maybe) Firewire... UGH! Especially since it is not just about the interface port, or even the drivers. One of the things that the Dakota does that is just brilliant is tie the audio clock and MIDI clock to the same internal clock, and it can even do MTC and LTC (yes, I still have a tape deck too<G>!)
 
I have tried a couple of newer Intel based motherboards that bridge PCI to PCIe, and so far so good, but it's still a gamble.
 
Fortunately for me, I am in no rush...
2014/02/26 14:41:36
Jim Roseberry
More important than the difference between Thunderbolt, USB, Firewire, and PCIe... choosing the right unit (one known to be rock-solid and provide low round-trip latency) is the important factor.
Make the right choice, and you'll be happy with any of the above.
ie: The best USB audio interfaces offer low round-trip latency right on par with the best PCIe units.
 
Obviously PCIe and Thunderbolt offer the most bandwidth.
But... if you're not using anywhere close to that bandwidth (which 99% aren't/won't), it's a moot point.
If you drive a car that tops out at 100MPH, it doesn't matter whether you travel a two-lane highway or a twelve-lane highway.  The car will only go 100MPH.
 
Some folks ask why Thunderbolt hasn't taken off in a big way.
Thunderbolt basically provides access to the PCIe bus.
With tower PCs, we've had that for a long while.  
Thus, Thunderbolt is most beneficial/significant on small-form-factor machines which otherwise wouldn't provide access to the PCIe bus (laptops and other small machines that wouldn't otherwise provide access to the PCIe bus)..
The second reason is cost.  ie: Until the recent rebate, the Apollo's Thunderbolt option was $500.
Most Thunderbolt peripherals are (relatively speaking) expensive.  Look at Thunderbolt external HDs vs. USB3.
By comparison, USB is on every machine... and is cheap to manufacture.
 
 
 
2014/02/26 15:11:00
jcschild
Glad to see you and I agree on the TB thing..
I am still like why are you excited.. and yeah having it on a laptop is pretty cool
but RME can do amazing track counts on USB so.. why...?
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