kennywtelejazz

anydmusic
 
 
Living in Hope... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZIQKn2Adfk 

That Was Nice
 

Beagle
 

 
 
Oh boy Beagle 
 
Hhhhmm, You know what ?
 
If I round up a bunch of them and spruce them up with some Holiday sprinkles and stuff , I may be able to stand in close proximity to a  Santa ringing a bell and sell a few of them ...might get some DAW cross grade money back 
 
If that don't work out I can always stuff one of them down my drawers and turn my amp up to 11
 
Kenny

TMI!!!!
 
 
 

Beagle

kennywtelejazz

anydmusic
 
 
Living in Hope... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZIQKn2Adfk 

That Was Nice
 

Beagle
 

 
 
Oh boy Beagle 
 
Hhhhmm, You know what ?
 
If I round up a bunch of them and spruce them up with some Holiday sprinkles and stuff , I may be able to stand in close proximity to a  Santa ringing a bell and sell a few of them ...might get some DAW cross grade money back 
 
If that don't work out I can always stuff one of them down my drawers and turn my amp up to 11
 
Kenny

TMI!!!!
 
 
 

 
Hey Beagle ,
If you think that is TMI ......
I just got out of the Hospital this past Saturday  ...
I went in there w a full bush covering the boys .Now my boys are freezing to death because I came out of the hospital just like a bald eagle ...
 
it 's true
 
Kenny

The longer we go without any meaningful communication from Cakewalk, the smaller its chances of ever returning.

Piotr
I am thinking if mass migration exodus from Sonar to other DAWs is kind of kiss of death which could make unwanted by us scenario final...

 
dude,
i do not think you have been paying attention lately.
 

kennywtelejazz

Beagle

kennywtelejazz

anydmusic
 
 
Living in Hope... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZIQKn2Adfk 

That Was Nice
 

Beagle
 

 
 
Oh boy Beagle 
 
Hhhhmm, You know what ?
 
If I round up a bunch of them and spruce them up with some Holiday sprinkles and stuff , I may be able to stand in close proximity to a  Santa ringing a bell and sell a few of them ...might get some DAW cross grade money back 
 
If that don't work out I can always stuff one of them down my drawers and turn my amp up to 11
 
Kenny

TMI!!!!
 
 
 

 
Hey Beagle ,
If you think that is TMI ......
I just got out of the Hospital this past Saturday  ...
I went in there w a full bush covering the boys .Now my boys are freezing to death because I came out of the hospital just like a bald eagle ...
 
it 's true
 
Kenny

What's worse is he only went into the hospital with a cough! 
 
(Jokes aside, I hope everything came out ok there Kenny!)

meh
I haven't heard of people here deleting Sonar from their systems if anything it looks like the number of installs has bumped up significantly because people want to be sure that they have a working copy.
 
If Sonar/Cakewalk comes back - I'll be here.
If not I'll still be using Sonar for while, probably quite a while.
In the meantime I've got some new tools/toys and I will keep moving forward.
If at somepoint someone takes over Sonar and revives the brand I'll certainly check it out.
If some company is looking to get into the DAW business there's a lot worse ways to go (granted there are issues - but not going there).
 
At this point I've gotten as disappointed, angry, sad, mad, frustrated as I'm probably going to get over this.
So I'm chilling out, sitting in my rowboat with my beer watching the theater of the SS Sonar having been struck by the Gibson iceberg.  Maybe a bit nihilistic but at this I think I prefer to watch the drama as opposed to being part of it.

All's true. Anyway I am sometimes feel kind of sadness about it. Just as I were suddenly losing kind of long years friend. Annoying, with many drawbacks but still... 
 
Anyway few weeks before Gibson killed Sonar after another Sonar's crash and insane error like 'disk overrun' while using on system with lots of RAM and SSD during playing I started to prepare to learn secondary DAW (S1). In the hope of waiting for bugs fixing while keeping possibility to work as I need not as program let me.
 
But still even then I didn't expected possibility no bugs will be fixed anymore. No new features will be implemented... I would be starting from now kind of fixed environment. To take it as it is. Without any more expectations.
 
But well, it still can be used as before. Awareness of it is fixed will release expectations about improvements. So maybe paradoxically now using Sonar will be giving more pleasure...

If I hadn't spent so much time trying to participate and help others around here, and spent so much time defending "the cakewalk", and creating videos to help educate, and, and, and...I might feel different.
 
But at the end of the day, it is an online forum of people I have mostly not met in the real world.   It is a piece of software that I have paid a LOT of money for over time.  It is a company for whom I fought and defended, even against it's own embattlements, against its own skeptical (and eventually right) users.  It is a theory of software that is even remotely like it used to be.  It is in defense of a company who couldn't possibly care less than they do (Gibson, and maybe Cakewalk for that case, since they are really the ones who created a product that was eventually not profitable - and that is what drives a corporation, right or wrong - and they know it/knew it when Roland dropped them, and now inevitably Gibson did).  It is with disdain, but also with a sense of "meh".
 
It's software.  I will find something else.  I will carry on with my senseless recordings that likely no one listens to anyway.  I will create tutorials for a different product because it's what I do.  I will participate in another forum, giving free advice to more people at somewhere else I'll likely never meet and think that they care in the process: and maybe they do.
 
I will continue with my hobby.  You will continue with yours.  And if it's a business, I hope you will prosper.  If it's your living, I hope you will gain, even in the face of this loss.  And if you don't care, like I wish I didn't, I hope all goes well for you. 
 
It will go well for me - Cakewalk, Sonar, or something else.
 
Feeling nostalgic and sarcastic at the same time...

Are we killing Sonar? No.

I think Cakewalk did that. Despite how good we think Sonar is, it has never reached the prominence we felt it should have. That is something that can’t be laid at the feet of Gibson or Roland before that. There’s something about Cakewalk’s management that has put the company in the under dog position for all time. Perhaps starting off as a one man operation it has never matured to the level required for real success.
For many years Roland was a silent partner with Greg H, before becoming the major stakeholder then the full owner for only a few years before a buy out by Gibson.

Presonus’ Studio One has been on the market since about 2006, a few years after Cakewalk and Roland announced their alliance. The point is that in about the same time, Presonus has far overtaken Sonar in recognition and market perception as a progressive and viable DAW. All this, despite Presonus hardware not being regarded anywhere near as highly.

What could explain the 2 brands’ very different position in the same market? Considering the head start, Sonar’s position hasn’t really changed in all the time that Studio One has been around. Yet the perception of Studio One is, that it has gone from strength to strength. No, Cakewalk has done this to itself.







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outland144k
 
First, as Craig said, Gibson killed Sonar

I think you will find that Mr Anderton actually said that 'Gibson didn't kill SONAR, they just buried it'
 
The implication being that SONAR/Cakewalk was already dead, Gibson just gave it a burial after keeping it alive for a couple more years, he actually said that Gibson kept it alive for a couple more years than it otherwise would/could have. I think Cakewalk/SONAR has been dead for a long time, in the sense that it has been loosing money since somewhere in the Roland days, if not before.
 
It's all well and good to blame Gibson for everything (it seems a very popular thing to do) But the buck has to stop with Cakewalk, whether people want to admit it or not. Cakewalk has been loosing money fro years, even before Gibson. They didn't make a product that was popular or good enough in peoples minds (outside these insular walls) to make money from it. Take a walk outside this here little bubble and you will see how popular Cakewalk and SONAR really are, there is not a lot of praise for it out there in the real world, and that is not having a go at Cakewalk/SONAR, it's just stating a fact. The fact is that SONAR is generally left out of the conversation when it comes to DAW's, pretty much always has been. 3rd party devs for the most part don't test with SONAR, and therefore historically don't list it in it's 'compatibility lists' or 'tested with' lists, as I'm sure we all know, and as has been testified to by the threads that pop up every now and then complaining about it. You read threads every now and then like "I'm tired of having to make excuses for using SONAR' it has been a recurring thing over the years.
 
It's just a fact whether you want to admit it or not, Cakewalk/SONAR just isn't that popular out there, Cakewalk/SONAR have massive reputation issues out in the real world, the world outside this little bubble. SONAR has a lot of issues, and bugs, they may not effect the long time user, as they have learn't long ago how to work around them, and it has become second nature to the point they don't see the bugs. But just because there is a workaround doesn't mean the bugs don't exist. For me in the end, the buck has to stop with Cakewalk, and blaming others seems to be just a part of this 'emotional attachment' thing that is rife here at these forums, the feeling that Cakewalk can do no wrong that seems to pervade this place. Cakewalk was a business, no more no less, it's all about the bottom line, no different to any other business, and to think otherwise is pure folly.
 
If we were to be honest, and if any of us owned a company that wasn't making any money, instead loosing us money hand over fist year after year, I think in the end we all would have done exactly what Gibson has done. 
 
Roland bought Cakewalk, Cakewalk didn't make money, Gibson bought Cakewalk, Cakewalk didn't make money, can you see a pattern here? how long do you expect this to go on? and why should anyone expect it to go on?