IMPORTANT:  I am not just talking about myself alone and saying that I am all great and better than anyone else here (but me having this ability of creating songs in my head has given me this idea of musical mental talent to talk about.  Again, not just talking about myself--I'm also talking and asking about the musical minds of others with such musical ability as well because I am interested in knowing about such an ability and if one can actually consider this a talent.  I am not this type of person at all to brag, have an ego, etc.  I am just talking and asking about how talents work and just the idea of having the mental talent of creating songs in your head alone. Everyone here has taken my information the wrong way. 

FINAL EDIT: I already have been making learning and physically making music a positive part of my life (it's just hard for me sometimes because I wish to get back to do what I do normally--playing videogames in dealing with some bad thoughts I have).

But I will perfect these songs for what they are in my head and their power will be revealed. I no longer wish to be in this worthless situation/position anymore where I'm perceived as someone I'm not (someone with no talent just wasting everyone's time) and the information I'm posting being taken the wrong way. Which is obviously the reason why I'm learning music now. I truly wish to be a good person and wish others to perceive me the same as well. 



I am using this as an example and to see what people have to say about this and what this specific individual should do in a situation like this.

If there is someone who only enjoys coming up with musical ideas (in this case, songs in his/her head) and enjoys learning and physically making music, but doesn't feel comfortable getting away from what he/she normally does and only wishes to go back and continue doing that one thing. 

Now this person has gained vast knowledge from listening to music, and based off that knowledge, has produced songs in his/her head (songs that are, in fact, to be the next best songs in a movie or somewhere else).  Without knowledge, this person would not be able to create any song in his/her head.  So this is where this knowledge would come from (from listening to other music).  It is obviously knowledge that can't be used in physically making music and the person does not know what that knowledge actually is (again, it is a type of knowledge that only the person's mind alone uses in making music--the person does not know how his/her mind is creating music, but when he/she focuses in creating a great song, it will happen).  

This person has created these powerful songs in his/her dreams (as well as other great songs in his/her head in the waking world).  Now this person has a goal--which is to perfect these songs into the real world so that they will be known by others, but has no musical experience and has it in his/her head that he/she wishes to learn and physically make music, but however, when he/she goes and does it, sometimes he/she just feels like they should just go back and do what he/she does normally in life.  Also, when you are first learning to make music, you cannot create your music at this point (so the idea of creating your music is shoved off into the distant future and all that's left now is just the physical aspect of making music alone in order to experiment and learn more, and of course, to just have fun which can be a hard aspect at first for this person).  

Now for example, if you were to do nothing in physically learning and making music and just keep your musical ideas in your head.   But what's the use of having such a mental talent that you are not allowed to physically pursue (due to your inability to enjoy other things in life and that you only enjoy making music in your head and just expressing your ideas alone and nothing more)?  Again, I enjoy physically learning and making music--I just only feel that I need to escape reality sometimes and just go back playing my videogames.  Also, this person would be a musician (a composer who only composes music in his/her head--but that's it.  This person is not a composer physically).  I mean, I bet many people would say that this person is no musician and has no talent.  But again, this talent is something special and different (something that others do not recognize) as it doesn't exist in the real world and exists within this person.  This person clearly has a natural mental talent to have created such powerful songs in his/her head, but has no natural talent or desire for physically making music.  

EDIT:

Now I'm just using my song here as an example in case anyone here can actually make this out (and also because this is what this music website is about--sharing your music that you've created). .

And about this one song that came to me in a dream (right here, although it is completely flawed and such and you might not even be able to make it out right now): 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBmpkXTlDYE 

It is, in fact, an intense action choir song with a heroic tune with it.  But am I crazy in actually feeling how powerful it is and saying that it's the next best song for a new Zelda videogame trailer?  Perhaps I am (although I truly feel that is what I say it is).  Also, how does this work (one's feelings in music when this person feels the way about a certain song the way he/she does)?

"This person has gained vast knowledge from listening to music..."

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Another prog fan?
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:-)

Many folks over in the songs forum recommended you learn the basics of using the PRV or get a MIDI controller to get those tunes out of your head and out in the open. You have to be willing to put the work in like the rest of us have. If you truly don't want to do that then unfortunately you are just going to have accept that you and you alone are going to be the only person able to hear and enjoy your music.

Stop waxing philosophical over it and get some chops. Not many people "enjoy" the endless hours of practicing scales or learning dry music theory (well I do but I'm weird) but it is something that must be done. Claiming you are a some kind of genius but then saying you are unwilling to put in the work is actually rather insulting.

And truthfully the recordings you posted were repetitious and not particularly musical. I don't mean to be harsh but it's apparent you need someone to nudge you into taking the appropriate steps to accomplish what you seem so desperate to.

So again... buy a copy of Sonar or whatever DAW you prefer that has a decent MIDI editor, learn how to use it (we can help you with that) and get on with it.

Peace.

Beepster


Many folks over in the songs forum recommended you learn the basics of using the PRV or get a MIDI controller to get those tunes out of your head and out in the open. You have to be willing to put the work in like the rest of us have. If you truly don't want to do that then unfortunately you are just going to have accept that you and you alone are going to be the only person able to hear and enjoy your music.

Stop waxing philosophical over it and get some chops. Not many people "enjoy" the endless hours of practicing scales or learning dry music theory (well I do but I'm weird) but it is something that must be done. Claiming you are a some kind of genius but then saying you are unwilling to put in the work is actually rather insulting.

And truthfully the recordings you posted were repetitious and not particularly musical. I don't mean to be harsh but it's apparent you need someone to nudge you into taking the appropriate steps to accomplish what you seem so desperate to.

So again... buy a copy of Sonar or whatever DAW you prefer that has a decent MIDI editor, learn how to use it (we can help you with that) and get on with it.

Peace.

I understand what you are saying, but just so you know, I am not just referring to myself (also others who might be in the situation I've explained).  I also did not mean to be insulting and I don't see how what I said was insulting at all.  Also, there are obviously many musicians who are borderline guinesses (or at least can produce great songs) in their own heads and one can be a genius in his/her own head if he/she desires.  Obviously, almost anyone can produce good music in their own heads if they desire.

Well to answer your question I personally would not refer to that as talent. Creativity? Perhaps but the only person that can even comment on that creativity is the person hearing the music in their mind. It really seems to me you are trying to look for validation of your self proclaimed genius but that is impossible because we cannot just hook some speakers up to your brain to take a listen.

Again I don't mean to be harsh but we all come here to discuss the actual making of music. So accept that you are going to have to learn how to express yourself in the physical world and take the necessary steps to do so or discuss this type of thing elsewhere.

And to explain why this annoys me is because I've dealt with people who have BEGGED me to show them how to play but they had no intention of listening to me or putting in the hard work it takes. I've wasted far too much time attempting to share my knowledge with people who are only interested in calling themselves musicians because it makes them feel all fuzzy inside but refuse to take things seriously. You are taking it to the ultimate extreme of that by saying that you don't even want to take even the most preliminary steps toward your goal.

I'm not going to pretend that we are talking about someone else because you and I both know this about you. So are you going to put in the work or not? If you are, then we can help you.

borderline guinesses

Well, "if my brother ever gets home from work," and I finish all the things I have to do today, than hopefully I can start on Guinness's around 4pm..  @ the latest imo!! 

Edit = I had to take a picture, before you edited that post because, "sometimes a quote tag just doesn't cut it."  This is one of those, "sometimes."

I also disagree that "anyone" can make good music in their heads. It takes a long time to train one's mind to understand and put together music mentally. So again that is a little insulting.

MattMVS7
I also did not mean to be insulting and I don't see how what I said was insulting at all.

Therein lies the rub. Since you (and your friend) do not yet posses some basic physical musical capabilities, you appear to have no sensitivity as to what is insulting to the very people (i.e. musicians) you are addressing.

That's kind of like saying to an architect "I've seen buildings all my life and I'm a genius at designing buildings in my head even though I do not even know the first thing about drafting or building concepts". I'm sure the architect would say pretty much the same thing Beepster said.

For those of you who missed it the first time this is Matt's thread from the songs forum requesting that someone produce his song for him.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2715349

That's kind of like saying to an architect "I've seen buildings all my life and I'm a genius at designing buildings in my head even though I do not even know the first thing about drafting or building concepts". I'm sure the architect would say pretty much the same thing Beepster said.

That is exactly the analogy I was going to use. Great minds and all that. ;-)