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2012/12/27 10:25:52
bapu
MattMVS7
Obviously, almost anyone can produce good music in their own heads if they desire.

I think you may be misunderstanding the word "produce". In this context I would say you probably mean "hear". And yes, I agree with the fact that almost anyone can hear good music in their heads (if they desire). But to "produce" music require skills and talents to physically assemble that music with melody, harmony and rhythm. Those three things require tried and true methods of practice, practice and practice.
2012/12/27 10:36:40
The Maillard Reaction


"I am no longer referring to myself anymore (just someone else who might be in the situation I've explained)."






Hi Matt,
 Are you perhaps referring to Rick Rubin? He's gone a long way working the way you seem to be describing. I don't think he had anything to do with Zelda... but he's done some cool stuff just the same.

 best regards,
mike
2012/12/27 10:39:36
MattMVS7
Now I'm just using my song here as an example in case anyone here can actually make this out (and also because this is what this music website is about--sharing your music that you've created).  

And about this one song that came to me in a dream (right here, although it is completely flawed and such and you might not even be able to make it out right now):  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBmpkXTlDYE   

It is, in fact, an intense action choir song with a heroic tune with it.  But am I crazy in actually feeling how powerful it is and saying that it's the next best song for a new Zelda videogame trailer?  Perhaps I am (although I truly feel that is what I say it is).  Also, how does this work (one's feelings in music when this person feels the way about a certain song the way he/she does)? 
2012/12/27 10:52:03
Beepster
Okay... so you DO have a MIDI set up now and are using it. Good. Now you should learn how the modes of C Major work on the keyboard and you will have far more success expressing yourself. Essentially C Major uses all the white keys. Look up a keyboard diagram to find see. Then play your C note and every white key after that up to the next C (8 white keys... otherwise known as an octave). Doesn't sound nice and musical? That is the scale of C Major otherwise know as C Ionian. From there if you start on the next white key (D) and play all the white keys up to the next D on the keyboard you will create Dorian which another mode of the Major scale.

All the modes of C Major and their root notes are as follows:

C = Ionian (Natural Major)
D = Dorian 
E = Phrygian
F = Lydian
G = Mixolydian
A = Aeolian (Natural minor)
B = Locrian

By learning these scales and training your ear to recognize them you can create a limitless amount of music and your "epic" Zelda thingy will be far easier to convey.

 
2012/12/27 10:56:31
Beepster
And sorry... until you refine it a bit that pretty much sounds like an untrained musician mashing away on a keyboard. I can tell there are themes there but you NEED to learn some fundamentals. Learning and playing the modes of C Major is extremely easy on a keyboard and the beauty of MIDI is you can just use those white keys. Then if you want to change the key of your tune (the musical key... not the keyboard keys) you can do it by simply using the transpose features on the keyboard or within your DAW software.


2012/12/27 11:06:17
Beepster
Are you still there? I'm trying to teach you something useful here. If you say you are going to make an attempt to learn and understand it I'll post more.
2012/12/27 11:09:36
MattMVS7
Yes I'm here, but I am actually learning by myself (watching a music theory video and such).  So you don't need to explain anything if you don't want to.
2012/12/27 11:15:44
Beepster
I wouldn't have posted that if I wasn't willing to share but if you feel you are getting an understanding of theory on your own that's great. The only thing that matters is that you are putting in the effort. It may be laborious and time consuming but it is well worth the effort. If you have any questions I am always around and I'm sure others would be willing to help as well.

I apologize for being prickly but it sounds like you really needed to hear the truth. Good luck and have fun.
2012/12/27 11:17:16
The Maillard Reaction


Here's taste of Awesome

...which could easily be done in SONAR or any of the brand Y DAWs.


best regards,
mike 

2012/12/27 11:31:11
Beepster
Here I've added the steps of the scale which in traditional theory are expressed with Roman numerals. Also I've added the root chord of each mode at the end. These root chords or Triads are constructed by playing the I, III and V steps of the current mode. Once you get comfortable with all this is C Major then you can apply this knowledge to other keys like G Major, D, Major, etc... You can google the notes of all twelve keys and their pattern of white and black keys on the keyboard. It's really not all that hard once you get your head around it and you should be able to put your song together much easier afterward.

Step/Root note/ Modal name/Root chord (Triad)

I  = C = Ionian (Natural Major) = C Major (C, E, G)
II = D = Dorian  = D minor (D, F, A)
III = E = Phrygian = E minor (E, G, B)
IV = F = Lydian = F Major (F, A, C)
V = G = Mixolydian = G Major (G, B, D)
VI = A = Aeolian (Natural minor) = A minor (A, C, E) 
VII = B = Locrian = B Diminished (B, D, F)

Cheers.
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