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2012/12/27 11:48:08
MattMVS7
Thank you for offering to help me here.  But I would like to discuss feelings and music now.

I truly feel that way as I've explained about my song.  Even if I gain years of knowledge and experience in music, this will not change how I feel about this song (I will never look back on that song as being something not all that great).  And our positive feelings about music is special and a work of art as well--something you can't change or make false. Each person's positive feelings regarding music is true, but in their own point of view. Therefore, since how I feel about that song cannot change or be made false, that means the song itself truly is powerful and that can't change or be made false either. So therefore, by that logic, wouldn't that mean my song (the one in my head) really is powerful?  Or am I perhaps crazy like I said? In the case of me somehow being dillusional (which I really completely doubt), if for example, I got this song perfected myself and I was told that it isn't that great. But somehow that does not change how I view it at all, then how would I get this feeling changed? As long as I'm unaware of why I feel this way despite everything else and how it's wrong the way I feel about it, the feeling will forever haunt me knowing that it has gone unrecognized and that I'm forever alone with it. And I won't be able to become a better musician with it because I am not going with what the facts of reality are telling me, but my own feelings.  I mean, how would it even be scientifically possible for me to truly feel that a song that is (in this case, no good, but only because of my flaws), is powerful and that the way I feel about it will never change?  Again, I am not just feeling that way about this song because I made it--even if it was from someone I hated, I would still view the song the same way.
2012/12/27 11:56:38
Beepster
Then you like the song you hear in your head. That's that. Not sure what you expect us to say about your feelings towards it. This is a forum for people producing music. We can offer suggestions on how to produce your song. We can't tell you how to feel about it.

Very strange thread.
2012/12/27 12:11:09
KenB123
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...which could easily be done in SONAR or any of the brand Y DAWs.


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mike 


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2012/12/27 12:21:38
KenB123
Matt, Have you ever tried to team up with someone that does know music?
 
Years back I worked with a friend that had musical ideas in his head but did not play an instrument. I worked with him to build it into a musical recording. Wasn't always easy because he heard something he could not always convey, so it would take a lot of patience and experimentation. Listening to your samples though, you have already laid down the melody. Maybe all you need is some help with the arrangement and final recording.
 
Please respect though that I agree with the comments offered here. The more you know and the more you can do on your own, the easier it will be to make a final production, whether it be your own musical recording or hired musicians that perform it.   
2012/12/27 12:34:40
Kalle Rantaaho
You do or you don't.
The difference between the ones who get things done and the ones who hatch great ideas in their head is that the former ones take actions.

One gets a great idea at the breakfast table. A really good one. He swears he'll concentrate on it one day. He maybe makes some notes about it or hums the melody in a recorder. And that's it....

Another one gets a reasonably good idea at the breakfast table. Not a brilliant one, but usable. In the evening he's already building the prototype or trying to get his musical friend to make an arrangement according to his hummed sketch or trying learn the music software or something...

The fine songs don't exist as long as they're in somebodys head. Simple as that, no alternatives.
2012/12/27 12:49:52
jamesg1213

But what's the use of having such a mental talent that you are not allowed to physically pursue (due to your inability to enjoy other things in life and that you only enjoy making music in your head and just expressing your ideas alone and nothing more)?  This person would be a musician (a composer who only composes music in his/her head--but that's it.  This person is not a composer physically).


No, this person would be 'a person'.

We all hear music in our heads. This is not 'talent' or 'genius', it's just being human.
2012/12/27 12:58:46
drewfx1
If someone can't use virtual any music program to string together a few notes to create new and memorable melodies, then chances are their "talent" is imagining that they are much better than they actually are.

If they claim it's not melody that they're uniquely talented at, but rhythm or arranging or whatever, even though they have no experience actually doing those things, then chances are their "talent" is imagining that they are much better than they actually are. 
2012/12/27 13:06:07
MattMVS7
drewfx1


If someone can't use virtual any music program to string together a few notes to create new and memorable melodies, then chances are their "talent" is imagining that they are much better than they actually are.

If they claim it's not melody that they're uniquely talented at, but rhythm or arranging or whatever, even though they have no experience actually doing those things, then chances are their "talent" is imagining that they are much better than they actually are. 

But couldn't you not have knowledge of music theory or the experience in physically making music and have a talent in creating great music/melodies in your head (a true talent--not something that is imagined)?
2012/12/27 13:18:52
Beepster
Okay, man. Just stop before you embarrass yourself further here. You are talking to a group of guys many of whom have dedicated their lives to making music and trying to tell them that you somehow know better than they do. It is arrogant and insulting especially considering what you have put forth to prove your so called genius is a ridiculous mishmash of nonsense notes and grunts into a microphone.

If you are just trolling for attention, piss off. If you are serious about making some music learn some humility and take the advice being given. There are people here who truly need and appreciate the knowledge this forum provides. 

See now? You dun made the Beepster angry. 
2012/12/27 13:20:38
Linear Phase
MattMVS7


Obviously, you can have a talent in creating great music/melodies in your head (a true talent--not something that is imagined). 

How old are you?  Seriously..  I am not being condescending.   If you are between the ages of 8 - 16 years old, "then you are experiencing your first introduction to music," and you are getting ready to begin the long learning process that is music, and being a musician.

If you are 28 - 50 years old, "the case may be a little different."

Regardless..

What is your age?
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