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  • What is musical talent in this given situation? (p.5)
2012/12/27 14:36:18
yorolpal
Yup...here's another "thought".  Since you seem to have music already mastered why not turn your thinking (it's actually called "daydreaming") to some other challenge.  How about world peace?  And please, let us know when you've got that sussed, would ya?
2012/12/27 14:37:14
backwoods


2012/12/27 14:39:34
MattMVS7
Also, one last thing in addition to my previous post is that I will only believe a scientist (someone who knows exceptionally well about the human brain and any mental talents that are possible).  If this scientist were to tell me that this so-called mental talent I have is just nonsense and my songs are somehow not what I feel they are, only then will I believe this scientist.  

I mean, there are people who have natural mental talents such as visualizing and creating visual works of art in their head, excellent memorization, etc.  But again, I will only believe a scientist if I am given absolute proof that I don't have a mental talent for making music in my head and that my feelings about my songs are somehow false.
2012/12/27 14:39:40
jamesg1213
yorolpal


Yup...here's another "thought".  Since you seem to have music already mastered why not turn your thinking (it's actually called "daydreaming") to some other challenge.  How about world peace?  And please, let us know when you've got that sussed, would ya?

I'd vote for time travel...
2012/12/27 14:45:27
Linear Phase
MattMVS7

But again, I will only believe a scientist if I am given absolute proof that I don't have a mental talent for making music in my head and that my feelings about my songs are somehow false. 

  Nobody has said, "you do not have talent."   Obviously you have musical talent....   Everybody does.   Music is: The most common creative talent exhibited in the human species. 
Everybody can sing, or hear sounds in their head..   Everybody.   Music is communication.  We all do it.  Even deaf people.

We are a musical species.

So..

"forget the scientist. You do not need one."  The answer is, "yes," you've got musical talent.


The question is, "are you bruce lee?"  or mozart, or beethoven, or chopin, etc, etc, etc...   That is, "the rare talent."   
2012/12/27 14:46:07
Bub
I'll see your Mills Brothers and raise you a ... well ... just click the link.
2012/12/27 14:49:30
Rain

I can fly. Now YOU prove to me that I can't fly.
2012/12/27 14:52:25
ohgrant
jamesg1213


yorolpal


Yup...here's another "thought".  Since you seem to have music already mastered why not turn your thinking (it's actually called "daydreaming") to some other challenge.  How about world peace?  And please, let us know when you've got that sussed, would ya?

I'd vote for time travel...

 
 Oh no we don't want to go there.  The problem with that is the second we break the time travel recipe is the second it all ends.
 We figure it out and some nut is going to go back in time and take a disease with him or step on a microbe that we evolved from and boom we never even existed. I know this because in my head I'm a genius scientist. Just sayin'
 
2012/12/27 15:01:30
drewfx1
MattMVS7


drewfx1


If someone can't use virtual any music program to string together a few notes to create new and memorable melodies, then chances are their "talent" is imagining that they are much better than they actually are.

If they claim it's not melody that they're uniquely talented at, but rhythm or arranging or whatever, even though they have no experience actually doing those things, then chances are their "talent" is imagining that they are much better than they actually are. 

You don't have to have knowledge of music theory or the experience in physically making music.  Obviously, you can have a talent in creating great music/melodies in your head (a true talent--not something that is imagined).
As someone who's been doing this for decades, I can say that I've met lots of people who think they "have an ear for music" just because they happen to like music. 

Please don't make me pull up a bunch of youtube's of movie and TV actors who were just sure they were immensely talented singers.

People with real musical talent are generally absolutely driven to get it out. That's why they devote hours and days and weeks and months and years to work at it. And in the process they learn layer upon layer of subtleties that someone who just listens to (and/or imagines) music can't begin to comprehend.

And if you can't get it out of your head, you can't claim you have "true talent--not something that is imagined" - because the only thing you actually have is something that exists only in your own imagination.

Anyone can imagine they have talent. Unfortunately, contrary to people's imagination of their own abilities, real talent is very rare. And just believing or imagining you could do something you can't actually, you know, do is definitely not a reliable indicator of latent talent. But people with a gift for melody will often show it even if you hand them an instrument they don't actually know how to play at all.

Luckily, learning to play a little music is not impossible, particularly in the modern world. And though often difficult and time consuming, it can be very rewarding even for those without immense talent. At least as long as one doesn't get upset that the world isn't overly impressed with their talent - but in that case it probably wasn't ever really about music in the first place anyway.
2012/12/27 15:03:09
MattMVS7
@Linear Phase: But is it absolutely scientifically impossible for someone who hasn't gained physical knowledge and experience in music to make powerful songs in their head (songs that would be worthy of a new movie trailer or something of such potential)?  If a scientist with a lot of knowledge of the human brain and such were to tell me that this is impossible and I am given absolute scientific proof, only then will I believe (I mean, I would still feel the way I do about my songs, but it would now be in a way that I am delusional and these feelings are false).
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