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  • What is musical talent in this given situation? (p.8)
2012/12/27 15:59:05
Beepster
DIBS ON BEING THE INDIAN!
2012/12/27 16:01:56
ohgrant
 I think Bapu always insists on the indian.... sorry
2012/12/27 16:04:41
Beepster
That darned bapu! FOILED AGAIN!
2012/12/27 16:07:06
paulo
jamesg1213


MattMVS7


But is it absolutely scientifically impossible for someone who hasn't gained physical knowledge and experience in music to make powerful songs in their head (songs that would be worthy of a new movie trailer or something of such potential)?  If a scientist with a lot of knowledge of the human brain and such were to tell me that this is impossible and I am given absolute scientific proof, only then will I believe (I mean, I would still feel the way I do about my songs, but it would now be in a way that I am delusional and these feelings are false).

Well.
However you look at it.
Anyone can say they're a genius.
They can't really be challenged.

A difficult subject for sure.

Lots of us like to think we're OK at music.
Obviously some are more than that.
Dynamite songs being written all the time...in our heads

Of course, this may be an illusion...
Fortunately,

Being quite used to dealing with these
Obfuscations we most
Likely
Laugh
Out loud (y'know, LOL!) and
Carry on,
Keeping the tradition of
Splitting our sides at the silliness.


2012/12/27 16:19:47
MattMVS7
But in conclusion, reality itself is negative to me and I bond to other worlds (fantasy-like things) to escape from reality. And from that bond, I create these songs in my head. But actually physically learning and making music is what I perceive as doing something in the real world. Perhaps if I wish to become a good musician, that this is some trial I must overcome. Because right now, reality itself is negative and nothing to me which is why I don't enjoy doing practically anything in the real world. Again, reality itself I don't really enjoy as well as doing other things besides music in the real world--again, music is something I truly enjoy.  It's just that me actually doing what it is I enjoy (physically learning and making music), sometimes I feel like I should escape that and go back playing my videogames.
2012/12/27 16:22:12
SteveStrummerUK

I can think of nothing more frustrating than having musical ideas and not having the means to express them, either in performance or by way of composition.

A working knowledge of music theory will certainly help, but it isn't absolutely necessary. But I would have thought that being able to program a bit of MIDI by ear, or a rudimentary ability in playing keyboards or even guitar definitely is.

2012/12/27 16:23:58
The Maillard Reaction


Are you familiar with the Buddhist concept that "reality" is just a state of constant suffering?






2012/12/27 16:33:57
Beepster

Because right now, reality itself is negative and nothing to me which is why I don't enjoy doing practically anything in the real world.

If this is true then get yourself some help. Yeah, reality bites sometimes but you're here now so make the best of it. You want to make music in your head then do it. You want to make music in the real world then do it. 

There is no substance to your post or any real question to be answered. You are just dribbling from the brain without making a point other than that you think your musical ideas are awesome. Fine. Go do something with it. It's obvious you don't want our help or input so what the hell are you even doing here?

That's why you are being called a troll. It is more than likely you are but on the off chance you are just a messed up dude there's my advice. Sh*t or get off the pot and get some medical help for your depression. 


2012/12/27 16:44:05
Guitarhacker
After reading most of this thread.... I recall the first "tune" you provided a few weeks back..... 
I'm not trying to disrespect you by any means..... but this is a wakeup call. Stop daydreaming.... either get creative and find a way to get the music out or not.... keep living in the dream world. The real world is better IMHO.... but it may come as a cold hard slap in the face..... that's part of it. Realizing that you have a problem of some sort..... whatever it my be..... inactivity to pursue your dreams in a tangible way seems to be yours right now.....well, that's the first step to making that dream a reality.

  Yeah I think a few people here nailed you.... daydreaming that you are the next latest, greatest, hottest music producer writer for film, TV and games is totally worthless unless you are willing to do the work needed to get the so called epic songs out of your head and into the real world.  

every song starts in someone's head as an idea.... and that person takes that idea and works on it, and brings it to life one way or another. Beethoven was deaf.... Stevie Wonder is blind, as is Ray Charles. That did not stop them ... they found a way to persevere. I know a hit songwriter who neither sings well nor plays any instruments but yet, he has 10 #1 songs in several genre's.  The inability to sing or play an instrument did not stop him from his dream. But he didn't set around simply thinking he was an epic hit writer..... he put it into action and found a way to get it done. 

I'm not saying you don't have an epic song in you... but .... prove it for real... in the real world, which means getting the songs into a tangible form.... the proof that you are as great as you seem to think you are is to get the songs into a movie or game.

Setting in your room or basement thinking you are a great epic songwriter is for the birds and the delusional. 

The rubber hits the road and you slam straight into reality when you have to put those ideas on "tape" and expose them to the world..... that my friend is the real test of greatness. 

My guess is, you have some learning and work to do. Songwriting is not easy work or else everyone would be doing it. It is a learned skill. The only way you will come close to being an epic writer is to start writing, find a way to get the ideas into a form everyone who hears it can appreciate, learn from your mistakes and keep writing.

I have seen major improvements in my writing skills  in the last few years, but I have also been working diligently to make those improvements. It didn't just happen cause I dreamed it....the dreaming is a start.... but you can not get stuck on step one.... you must set out on the journey and endure the failures and keep moving. 

With the software and synths and loops and other things available..... there is no excuse.  Life is short so get busy.
2012/12/27 17:10:09
tom1
But in conclusion, reality itself is negative to me and I bond to other worlds (fantasy-like things) to escape from reality. And from that bond, I create these songs in my head. But actually physically learning and making music is what I perceive as doing something in the real world. Perhaps if I wish to become a good musician, that this is some trial I must overcome. Because right now, reality itself is negative and nothing to me which is why I don't enjoy doing practically anything in the real world.
 
 
Hi Matt:
 
heavy words there, dude;  forgive me but making music seems to be the least of your problems.
 
sometimes reality can be pretty tough to deal with but what other choice do we have?
 
Surround yourself with positive, good hearted people;
If you have a passion, go with it;
 
life/reality will turn around.
 
the best of luck to you young man.
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