jamesg1213

MattMVS7


But is it absolutely scientifically impossible for someone who hasn't gained physical knowledge and experience in music to make powerful songs in their head (songs that would be worthy of a new movie trailer or something of such potential)?  If a scientist with a lot of knowledge of the human brain and such were to tell me that this is impossible and I am given absolute scientific proof, only then will I believe (I mean, I would still feel the way I do about my songs, but it would now be in a way that I am delusional and these feelings are false).

Well.
However you look at it.
Anyone can say they're a genius.
They can't really be challenged.

A difficult subject for sure.

Lots of us like to think we're OK at music.
Obviously some are more than that.
Absolutely brilliant, some of us.
Dynamite songs being written all the time...in our heads

Of course, this may be an illusion...
Fortunately,

Being quite used to dealing with these
Obfuscations we most
Likely
Laugh
Out loud (y'know, LOL!) and
Carry on,
Keeping the tradition of
Splitting our sides at the silliness.

Best Jamesg1213 post EVER!!!!!

What is musical talent in this given situation?

Simple answer: There is none.

bapu

What is musical talent in this given situation?

Simple answer: There is none.

Now feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this, but talent is something you're good at.  So if a person is good at being creative in their head, wouldn't he/she be talented at being creative?  Again, this is a musical topic I made completely different from what most musical topics would be (a good philosophical-like question).  This is not a technical musical topic.  Also, regardless of ones status (in this case, producers who have dedicated their lives in making music), everyone is different and has their own issues/questions/situations in life, and everyone should feel free no matter what experience level they have in music, in asking any question or engaging in what is intended to be a pleasant conversation involving positive mannered reasonings--not negative arguments (positive reasonings are what I'm making--there is no intended negativity in any of my posts towards others).

MattMVS7


Now feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this, but talent is something you're good at.  So if a person is good at being creative in their head, wouldn't he/she be talented at being creative?  Again, this is a musical topic I made completely different from what most musical topics would be (a good philosophical-like question).  This is not a technical musical topic.  Also, regardless of ones status (in this case, producers who have dedicated their lives in making music), everyone is different and has their own issues/questions/situations in life, and everyone should feel free no matter what experience level they have in music, in asking any question or engaging in what is intended to be a pleasant conversation involving positive mannered reasonings--not negative arguments (positive reasonings are what I'm making--there is no intended negativity in any of my posts towards others).

You are absolutely right.  Some of these guys are, "totally out of line here."  Usually they do not troll they are, "a great group of guys."  However, "they might be less than aware of what yours, or anybody else's problem(s), life story is, etc, etc."

Your asked if you had music talent.  Answer is unequivocally yes.   Everybody has it.  You want to hear it from a scientist?  Can't help you there, but I'll offer this:  I've got a dad with a PHD, a mom with a PHD, and I myself, "run my own business, have no money, and am considering my own damn PHD."

Music talent is the most common creative talent across our species.  Everybody loves to sing in the shower.

The question, "are you the next grammy winning producer?"  The answer?  Your shot is as good as anybody elses.  We just gave Taylor Swift a grammy..  For cryin out loud.


The next question, "are you the next Mozart?"  Highly improbable.  More so, than your chances of winning a grammy.


If you want to be a music producer..   Start using Sonar, and play, "upstairs," in the Sonar Forums, where the guys will answer your every question.

Great post.

MattMVS7

bapu

What is musical talent in this given situation?

Simple answer: There is none.

Now feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this, but talent is something you're good at.  So if a person is good at being creative in their head, wouldn't he/she be talented at being creative?  Again, this is a musical topic I made completely different from what most musical topics would be (a good philosophical-like question).  This is not a technical musical topic.  Also, regardless of ones status (in this case, producers who have dedicated their lives in making music), everyone is different and has their own issues/questions/situations in life, and everyone should feel free no matter what experience level they have in music, in asking any question or engaging in what is intended to be a pleasant conversation involving positive mannered reasonings--not negative arguments (positive reasonings are what I'm making--there is no intended negativity in any of my posts towards others).

This can be a deep subject if you want it to be...




What is talent? Is it some innate ability you are born with? 

Is talent "nature", or is talent the result of outside influence, education, and awareness ? 

Is talent "nurtured" rather than the result of some spontaneous natural force?


Are these songs you hear in your head your absolute and original creations or are they amalgamations and mash ups of everything you have already heard?



Do you have the skill to recognize the difference in thoughts that you synthesize and create with your own mind and thoughts that are merely a realization of ideas that have entered your brain from various external influences?

Do you need a skill to make that decision? Or can you just be naturally talented at recognizing talent?




When people stop and state something like "that person has a talent for that", what do you think they mean? What is it that they recognize as talent? Do they actually recognize that talent or are they acknowledging a symptom of something they call "talent"?





For example; Is it possible to consider someone as a talented cook without ever viewing, smelling or tasting some of the food they cooked?



Have you ever looked at a total stranger... someone you were wholly unfamiliar with and sensed that they were imbued with "talent"?





It's hard for a person, such as myself, to consider your  theory that one may have an instinctive knowledge that they possess some natural talent. 

I'm not sure what talent actually is... and I've been thinking about it off and on for about 50 years.

 



I think the fact that you are asking about this stuff indicates that you have a deep passion. A lot of people can settle for that and go forward with perseverance in an effort to develop skills and ever greater understanding of what it is that excites their passion.


Good luck!!!


all the best,
mike

mike_mccue


Are you familiar with the Buddhist concept that "reality" is just a state of constant suffering?

That might be a little painful..


Now, I'm just thinking out loud here but this has me wondering. My own experience might be somewhat along this line as well.


Until I got into the messy stuff of learning this I tended to sit on the sideline and watch other people doing stuff that I wanted to do. The only problem was that I always either A) met resistance from other people or B) my inner critic.


It does help getting a MIDI keyboard as well though

One last thing I would like to say is that I already have been making learning and physically making music a positive part of my life (it's just that sometimes I wish to go back playing my videogames).  It is not physically making and learning music itself that is getting me down, just again, getting away from what it is I normally do (play my videogames to escape from reality) and actually doing something in the real world. 

I will perfect these songs for what they are in my head and their power will be revealed. I no longer wish to be in this worthless situation/position anymore where I'm perceived as someone I'm not (someone with no talent just wasting everyone's time). Which is obviously the reason why I'm learning music now. I truly wish to be a good person and wish others to perceive me the same as well.

Good. That is all I was trying to get through to you. You have to put in the effort if you want to make music. Simple as that. If that is what your goal is then don't stop posting. Ask questions that we can actually answer and take the advice given.

As for the depression once you get more proficient at expressing yourself musically I'm sure you will feel much better about yourself and the world around you. My music has saved me many times from myself and from the harshness of the world around me. If I hadn't had that outlet I don't think I'd even be alive right now.

Now get to work. You did make a massive step up from your original thread/postings by taking the time to learn how to use a controller. Keep on that path. Also learn how to use the Piano Roll View. It can help with the stuff you may not yet be able to physically play at the moment.

Seriously I'm not a hateful man but your attitude towards this was all messed up. Seems like you are starting to get it now.

Good luck.

Oh and you seem to be into video games. If you want to make music for video games take a look at editing with the Step Sequencer. It's great for that kind of thing.