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2012/12/19 20:05:53
Soundblend
I agree with the bass issue also, but it may have something to do with the overall sound, if there is a phase issue or just a left input and it's bleeding into right channel ( Faulty Sound-cards or other equipment in the chain ), Bad Cable's, can be loads of things, i am " JUST SUGGESTING " here ! I would start off by chk all all my cables / Units etc, all the way into the computer to eliminate any problem there. You can't possibly manage to mix a recording with issues. I have already tried :), About the music, i love it and want to hear more of them ;D . If the sound Chain ( Hardware ) was ok, i would strip all effects, Busse's, And just have the plain recorded tracks. Then i would chk every track for issues 1 by 1 and used Flux stereo tool on the main bus. After chking all the tracks 1 by 1, i would start to combine more tracks and monitor what happen's, up until all track's was ok, but that's just how i would do it ;D
2012/12/19 20:14:35
craigb
When everything's up and making music (i.e., not packed in storage) I run a balanced system.  I had a similar issue once and it turned out that one of my devices required a TS (tip/stem) cable connection and would produce weird results with a TSR (tip/stem/ring) cable.  So, if you're running any outboard processors you may want to check their specs and the cables you're using.  I doubt this is the particular issue here, but I thought I'd throw it out there as something to keep in the back of your mind!
2012/12/19 20:33:15
Soundblend
" craigb " yeah it can just be as simple as you say.
2012/12/19 20:44:18
Jeff Evans
I would start the mix again and strip everything back to drums and bass and get those two things really happening first. The engine room stuff. Pull all processing off the bass track and solo it and really have a listen to what you have recorded.

In the final mix it sounds like there is not much tone in the bass sound and he has had the strings on for the last ten years.
2012/12/19 20:53:32
Soundblend
yeah new strings is good to use, getting more tone out of it. And one more thing, don't over-compress stuff, that will probably give " bad strings " i guess !
2012/12/20 13:11:17
gswitz
stereo image is fixed. I zerod the faders when I had the offset problem. I brought the bass  up more. I'm thinking of sidechain compressing it of f the kick. I think I could bring it-bass up more. I like it with chorus and through the Randall.
2012/12/20 14:57:20
Jeff Evans
A bass sound is good when there is a little percussive attack at the start of the note. (in a more up rhythmical type of tune that is) That is what is missing to a certain degree from the bass sound here. 

You can sort of put it back in using compressors but set with a much slower attack so what happens is you get the start of the note punching through nicely then the compressor kicks in and drops the signal level down creating the illusion your once smooth sound has a little percussive attack now attached to it. It is making use of the more sound shaping creative side to your compressor.

Side chaining to the kick is not a bad idea but keep that minimal so that it is only enhancing. There are two ways you can go here. One is where the bass drops down say 3 db every time the kick is present. This is using the kick to add the percussiveness to the start of the bass note now. Make sure it returns fast as well so the bass is back into the picture as quickly as it can. 

Another approach would be to use the kick to tell the bass level to jump up briefly ie the opposite to the compressor. More like a side chained upward expander. You might find this will also add a nice level transient at the start of the bass note.

The use of a compressor to create a more percussive transient at the start of the bass note combined with some light side chaining plus some tidy EQ (plus a little HPF to clear up any bottom end boom) to bring out the tones a bit more could be just the ticket to make that bass line really stand out and be heard much more clearly. Then you have the luxury of turning it down so it is back in balance with the music again.


2012/12/22 12:11:37
gswitz
Jeff, SoundBlend, CraigB et al. Thanks for all the tips.

I'm running the bass through TH2 and blending it back with the original.

I'm liking the direction the mix is taking.

Feedback always welcome! Thanks so much.

Jeff, I did strip it down to just bass and drumz and build it back up.

I also tried the sax through th2. It's really fun this mixing stuff. Ha ha. Lose all my free time sitting in front of these speakers!
2012/12/22 12:27:35
Soundblend
Glad you have fun with mixing :), would be nice to hear a new mix of Cleanslate later on if possible ! I see you have a few new , will have a listen to those :)
2012/12/22 14:47:06
gswitz
Soundblend, the latest mix of Clean Slate is posted. I keep them updated.
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